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It does make more of a difference than you think, though as you say it's nowhere near as marked as America. My city, Nottingham, likes volunteering to trial th
by mattmanser 8y ago
It does make more of a difference than you think, though as you say it's nowhere near as marked as America.
My city, Nottingham, likes volunteering to trial things. So we were the first or one of the first cities to have average speed cameras years ago, we also introduced a workspace parking levy. The former has gone nationwide, but the latter hasn't been adopted anywhere else.
The planners in Nottingham also love traffic lights and are utterly shit at roundabouts. It's a frustrating city to drive in, but has great, regular, buses and now trams.
That's very different to other areas, like Colchester where I lived before had loads of roundabouts and tended to phase out traffic light junctions for roundabouts. But it used to have fairly rubbish buses to the nearby towns.
- chrisseaton 8y agoRight but that's comparing a city in the north to a city miles away in the south. We're talking about the immediate boundary between outside a city and inside a city, aren't we? My local city is Chester, and I couldn't even tell you where the limit of Chester is now - I presume it's no longer the old Roman walls. When you cross that boundary wherever it is, nothing changes. It's still the same local government authority, still the same police force.
- mprev 8y agoIsn’t there a welcome to Wales sign on one side of the city? I always find it fun driving over the border and suddenly you can araf at the gwasanethau for a paned o de.
- chrisseaton 8y agoBut that's because you're leaving the country, not because you're leaving the city. The city boundary isn't relevant there - the country boundary is.
- mprev 8y agoWell, sure, I’m not saying otherwise. It was just a comment unworthy of a parry.
- zazen 8y agoI sympathise with @chrisseaton's frustration. When you make a comment highlighting something that looks superficially similar but is actually irrelevant, that's going to tend to derail the conversation. If your comment was unworthy of a parry, maybe that's a hint that it was unworthy of being made in the first place. Please make an effort to be part of the signal not part of the noise, even if your brand of noise is inoffensive.
- mprev 8y agoThe point is that chrisseaton said they didn’t know where the city of Chester ends and I mentioned that there’s a pretty big change of admin at the edge of the city (or, in this case, the borough of Chester and West Cheshire, as we are talking about administrative borders rather than cities). Basically, if you live in Chester and don’t know where the boundary is then it’s because you’re not looking at the signs. The city border is also a national border in this case.
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- DFHippie 8y agoI know no one else cares, and this isn't really my nit to pick, but "araf" is an adjective meaning "slow", not a verb, so you can't really "can" it at all.
- mprev 8y agoI care! Thanks for pointing that out.
- rounce 8y agoDoes welsh have a singular verb for this, and if so what is it?
- DFHippie 8y agoI don't understand the question.
- thaumasiotes 8y agoWhat do you do at the gwasanethau?
- DFHippie 8y agoThat's "gwasanaethau" -- services, amenities for motorists. Maybe you could get a "paned o de", a cup of tea.
- tolien 8y agoI think the confusion is around the administrative area versus the geographical - e.g. Upton is a village in its own right, within the parish of Upton-by-Chester [4], on the outskirts of the city of Chester, but within the City of Chester UK parliamentary constituency and served by Cheshire Constabulary. You couldn't really argue it's part of the city though (although I'm sure the city council would love the tax revenue from the zoo...). In the same way, the US cities in the article are administrative divisions (i.e. the police forces are different because they're being paid for by different people, the laws are being set by different organisations etc.) rather than geographic ones. Some of the UK cities used to have their own police forces too ([2], [3]), it's just more efficient (and probably resolves some fun legal challenges around jurisdiction) not to do that any more (see sibling comment for the City of London/Met but London's strange anyway). Until 1975, Glasgow had its own police force [2] with the surrounding areas covered by other forces, and relatively recently [1] had a dispute about its administrative boundary (again, likely for the purposes of tax - it moved which council was responsible for a shopping centre). 1: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1973915.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1973915.stm 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Glasgow_Police https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Glasgow_Police 3: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_City_Police https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_City_Police 4: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upton_by_Chester https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upton_by_Chester
- pja 8y agoThat’s partially because Chester isn’t run by a separate local authority - the local council is “Cheshire West & Chester”. Places where the City is a unitary local authority will sometimes have a noticeable boundary. For the city I live in, the on-pavement (sidewalk for US people) cyclepaths swap sides at the city boundary - inside the city the cyclepath part is furthest from the road, outside it’s closest to the road!