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It’s very strange wording that they use, they don’t want anything to be sexually “gratifying”. Like if it’s explicit content but you don’t find it “gratifying”
by gaius 8y ago
It’s very strange wording that they use, they don’t want anything to be sexually “gratifying”. Like if it’s explicit content but you don’t find it “gratifying” they’re OK with that? It’s as if they don’t care about the content itself they just don’t want you to enjoy it.
- Drdrdrq 8y agoIt is strange, agreed. Maybe they are ok with explicit images for educational purposes (anatomy)?
- laumars 8y agoI think the point of that is to distinguish between stuff that is nudity but not of a sexual nature (like Aphrodite of Milos[1]) from stuff that could be deemed as corrupting young kids? But I’m guessing there. As a European I do think the Americans get far to uptight about nudity. There’s nothing inherently wrong with nakedness, it’s not automatically sexual. Yet I’m constantly amazed how much casual violence is in family TV (Simpson’s, Tom and Jerry, etc). I find it weird that cutting a persons limbs off is more acceptable than a naked form. But I guess that’s a cultural thing. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_de_Milo https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_de_Milo
- thaumasiotes 8y ago> nudity but not of a sexual nature (like Aphrodite of Milos) Pretty strange to call this "nudity, but not of a sexual nature". She is literally the incarnation of the concept of sex.
- code_duck 8y agoI think what they would say is that the statue was not created nor are photos provided with an aim to ‘appeal to a prurient interest’.
- thaumasiotes 8y agoIt would be hard to defend that claim as to the creation of the statue. It's easier as to the provision of photos today, but opinions still vary.
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- pmlnr 8y agoEdit: my comment was wrong, ignore it. --- You need to get a bit more in touch with history; that statue has nothing to do with "sexually gratifying". It was in the days when minos culture fashion looked like this: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=minos+culture+fashion&t=ffab&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=minos+culture+fashion&t=ffab&iax=i...
- thaumasiotes 8y ago> It was in the days when minos culture fashion looked like this The Minoan culture is more or less contemporaneous with the Mycenaean Greeks who fell in the 12th century BC, ushering in the Greek Dark Age which lasted about 400 years. Wikipedia dates the Venus de Milo to the late second century BC. Aphrodite is not even attested in Mycenaean records. You're off by over a thousand years. As such, I'll respectfully reject your suggestion that I need to get more in touch with history.
- pmlnr 8y agoMy memory tricked me. You are correct. I'm sorry.
- code_duck 8y agoI have no doubt whatsoever that historians could easily demonstrate that the statue was not created as a form of pornography. It’s a religious icon.
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- laumars 8y agoThe point being that is art, not pornography. Re the people who voted me down, I’m curious if you’ve done so because you consider that statue porn or because you don’t consider it art? Are you able to elaborate please :)
- thaumasiotes 8y agoThe statue is overt sexual content. See my sidethread comment, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18745277 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18745277 .
- laumars 8y ago“Overt sexual content”? She’s just stood there. That’s not a sexual pose, she’s not engaging in sex. Even if I take your point about the figure it depicts, it’s about as subtle a sexual icon as it gets.
- thaumasiotes 8y agoShe's just standing there... naked. That is not the norm for a statue of Aphrodite. It derives from the tradition of the nude Aphrodite of Knidos, which... made huge waves for titillation value: > According to an account by Pliny the Elder, Praxiteles sculpted both a nude statue and a draped statue of Aphrodite. The city of Kos purchased the draped statue, because they felt the nude version was indecent and reflected poorly on their city, while the city of Knidos purchased the nude statue. > The statue [...] was so lifelike that it even aroused men sexually, as witnessed by the tradition that a young man broke into the temple at night and attempted to copulate with the statue, leaving a stain on it. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphrodite_of_Knidos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphrodite_of_Knidos ) Just how strongly can we connect the Venus de Milo to the Aphrodite of Knidos? Well, it's a naked Aphrodite in a similar pose. Similar enough that it was originally attributed to Praxiteles. Aphrodite of Knidos is just standing there too, about to take a bath. Imagine me posting a photo to Facebook showing a woman caught in the act of getting into her bathtub. She's not engaging in sex! Then again, videos of this exact subject matter are common on porn sites. Imagine arguing that a still of Marilyn Monroe's dress getting blown up around her hips is about art, and not about sexual titillation.
- rdiddly 8y agoNot only is nudity not automatically sexual, sex is not automatically (or even remotely) evil. It's good and wholesome.
- distances 8y ago> As a European I do think the Americans get far to uptight about nudity. There’s nothing inherently wrong with nakedness, it’s not automatically sexual. Yet I’m constantly amazed how much casual violence is in family TV (Simpson’s, Tom and Jerry, etc). And random acts of violence in even light comedy shows that shun everything sexual. Really grates me when they're celebrated instead of prosecuted for an assault.