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> I really, really wish Youtube had competition. It would change absolutely nothing. This is NOT a platform issue, and any other platform would face the exact

by tcd 8y ago

> I really, really wish Youtube had competition. It would change absolutely nothing. This is NOT a platform issue, and any other platform would face the exact same problem (needing a content ID, making mistakes like this).

swozey 8y ago
Allowing automated copyrighting with zero oversight is definitely a platform issue. Youtube has an overabundance of content and can't control it all, that's clear. But when they have zero actual competition they have no reason to NOT be the bad guy. You're still going to go to Youtube, right? I can't shift to tcdtube. My content creators aren't there.
- tcd 8y ago
  There are other platforms, like Vimeo or Dailymotion, why aren't people uploading there? Because there's no audience and Youtube is so widely integrated (iOS, Android, Smart TVs etc). But if another platform got to Youtube's size, it would have the exact same issues, with having a fragile automated system, and not enough human reviewers (too much content, humans are expensive and error prone). There's no ideal or perfect system for monitoring audio/visual data, look at Reddit for example, I can ban you because I am bored, or I dislike you, or because I want to censor you. What can you do about it? Nothing. Who cares? Nobody, Reddit carries on as usual. r/videos mods can control which Youtubers get traffic, ironically enough. They can automod channels/posters away 'just for the lolz'.
  - swozey 8y ago
    It's a serious chicken & egg scenario. I know. I watch youtube far less than I did 2 years ago. But the other video publishers need to really focus on getting creators over to them. Or making it easy to aggregate content between the options (I have no idea about this, it could be stupidly easy right now).
  - simion314 8y ago
    > it would have the exact same issues, Disagree, say you are a Patreon and also host the videos, games. If you wrongly block your users they move, if they move you lose money. If small youtubers have some videos removed YT won't lose as much since other videos will be pushed to the viewers, the issue is that YT loses a ton more money if they upset large publishers or some political party.
village-idiot 8y ago
Disagreed. YouTube is an unsually bad actor in this space, pretty much anyone who has to interact with them have complaints.
- meh2frdf 8y ago
  I suspect it’s deliberate, as it supports Google’s agenda of exploiting others work for free.

by tcd 8y ago

swozey 8y ago

Allowing automated copyrighting with zero oversight is definitely a platform issue. Youtube has an overabundance of content and can't control it all, that's clear. But when they have zero actual competition they have no reason to NOT be the bad guy. You're still going to go to Youtube, right? I can't shift to tcdtube. My content creators aren't there.

tcd 8y ago
There are other platforms, like Vimeo or Dailymotion, why aren't people uploading there? Because there's no audience and Youtube is so widely integrated (iOS, Android, Smart TVs etc). But if another platform got to Youtube's size, it would have the exact same issues, with having a fragile automated system, and not enough human reviewers (too much content, humans are expensive and error prone). There's no ideal or perfect system for monitoring audio/visual data, look at Reddit for example, I can ban you because I am bored, or I dislike you, or because I want to censor you. What can you do about it? Nothing. Who cares? Nobody, Reddit carries on as usual. r/videos mods can control which Youtubers get traffic, ironically enough. They can automod channels/posters away 'just for the lolz'.
- swozey 8y ago
  It's a serious chicken & egg scenario. I know. I watch youtube far less than I did 2 years ago. But the other video publishers need to really focus on getting creators over to them. Or making it easy to aggregate content between the options (I have no idea about this, it could be stupidly easy right now).
- simion314 8y ago
  > it would have the exact same issues, Disagree, say you are a Patreon and also host the videos, games. If you wrongly block your users they move, if they move you lose money. If small youtubers have some videos removed YT won't lose as much since other videos will be pushed to the viewers, the issue is that YT loses a ton more money if they upset large publishers or some political party.

village-idiot 8y ago

Disagreed. YouTube is an unsually bad actor in this space, pretty much anyone who has to interact with them have complaints.

meh2frdf 8y ago
I suspect it’s deliberate, as it supports Google’s agenda of exploiting others work for free.