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What, precisely, are "judeo-Christian values"?

jl2718 8y ago
I refer you to David Foster Wallace’s “This is Water”
fareesh 8y ago
In my comment I am referring to what George Washington talked about in his farewell address when he discussed a similar topic. He didn't name judeo Christian values but it's implicit when he says "religion". If you are not familiar with it see the section on religion morality and education https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington%27s_Farewell_Address https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington%27s_Farewe...
- gamer_throwaway 8y ago
  OK, but the concept is historically nonsensical - antisemitism was a large part of early and medieval Christianity - and the term itself didn't come into use until the 40s. > If you are not familiar with it see the section on religion morality and education Am having a hard time seeing how the idea that morality can't be maintained without religion connects to "free speech, free association [and] due process".
  - fareesh 8y ago
    Those are individual rights, and arguably they came from a worldview (stemming from those values) where all people are created equal. Much of the new culture I am referring to, seems to elevate the rights of groups and treat individuals as unequal because all people are born unequal depending on the group they belong to - the exact opposite of what the country was founded on and believed for a long time. It isn't untrue because people are born to vastly different circumstances that have a big impact on their long-term success in society. This seems to have become a sacred cow, i.e. a new set of religious principles. How this plays out in this particular context is that when Pewdiepie uses his YouTube channel to make amusing videos, if he touches on certain blasphemous topics, then regardless of context, he is convicted as having "ties to white supremacists". His rights as an individual are deprioritized because the subject matter is blasphemous to the new value system, which places a very high priority on protection of the sentiments of minorities. This is an exceptionally great goal, but freedom, due process and presumption of innocence of the individual must come first, if the goal is to create a fair and stable society, in my opinion.
pfschell 8y ago
There's no such thing as "judeo-christian". The Talmud is antithetical to Christianity. The term is nothing more than a trick played on churches in the last century to co-opt them.
- dang 8y ago
  Religious flamewar will get you banned on HN. Please don't post like this again. You've also been using HN primarily for ideological battle—we ban accounts that do that, too. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and follow the rules when posting here.
  - pfschell 8y ago
    go fuck yourself

I refer you to David Foster Wallace’s “This is Water”

In my comment I am referring to what George Washington talked about in his farewell address when he discussed a similar topic. He didn't name judeo Christian values but it's implicit when he says "religion". If you are not familiar with it see the section on religion morality and education https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington%27s_Farewell_Address https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington%27s_Farewe...

gamer_throwaway 8y ago
OK, but the concept is historically nonsensical - antisemitism was a large part of early and medieval Christianity - and the term itself didn't come into use until the 40s. > If you are not familiar with it see the section on religion morality and education Am having a hard time seeing how the idea that morality can't be maintained without religion connects to "free speech, free association [and] due process".
- fareesh 8y ago
  Those are individual rights, and arguably they came from a worldview (stemming from those values) where all people are created equal. Much of the new culture I am referring to, seems to elevate the rights of groups and treat individuals as unequal because all people are born unequal depending on the group they belong to - the exact opposite of what the country was founded on and believed for a long time. It isn't untrue because people are born to vastly different circumstances that have a big impact on their long-term success in society. This seems to have become a sacred cow, i.e. a new set of religious principles. How this plays out in this particular context is that when Pewdiepie uses his YouTube channel to make amusing videos, if he touches on certain blasphemous topics, then regardless of context, he is convicted as having "ties to white supremacists". His rights as an individual are deprioritized because the subject matter is blasphemous to the new value system, which places a very high priority on protection of the sentiments of minorities. This is an exceptionally great goal, but freedom, due process and presumption of innocence of the individual must come first, if the goal is to create a fair and stable society, in my opinion.

pfschell 8y ago

There's no such thing as "judeo-christian". The Talmud is antithetical to Christianity. The term is nothing more than a trick played on churches in the last century to co-opt them.

dang 8y ago
Religious flamewar will get you banned on HN. Please don't post like this again. You've also been using HN primarily for ideological battle—we ban accounts that do that, too. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and follow the rules when posting here.
- pfschell 8y ago
  go fuck yourself