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They shut down my channel with more than 20k subscribers earlier in September. I sent in all the digital publishing rights contracts signed by all the artists w

by chirau 8y ago

They shut down my channel with more than 20k subscribers earlier in September. I sent in all the digital publishing rights contracts signed by all the artists whose content I had. No response, just automated emails. Even tried my assigned partner manager, just more automated emails. I feel most sorry for the artists... Most were from my home country in Africa and I had given them a sustainable source of income. Overnight, like Thanos, it was gone. I tried to fight for them, but YouTube would not even bat an ear. Maybe one day we will get a better service than this. And if there is a person from YouTube or Google here, your company really needs to do better. I personally have not forgiven them yet.

ckocagil 8y ago
Or maybe instead of crying and groveling at Google's feet we could get up in arms and create a better platform. But, oh, we can't make it a centralized platform because then we'd have to replicate something similar to Youtube's copyright system to avoid getting litigated to death by media companies. So how about a federated or fully distributed platform? That could work... except it couldn't use regular payment processors because they will block payments. I seriously believe cryptocurrencies were the final piece to this puzzle. Maybe we'll see a resurrection of cryptocurrencies in 5 to 10 years, like the one the internet had after the dotcom bubble.
- paulpauper 8y ago
  there are tons of alternatives. the probme is, no traffic, no viralness, and terrible user experience relative to YouTube
  - ttoinou 8y ago
    Chicken and egg issue and having good website with good UX and good bandwidth and accepting anyone who wants to open his own channel costs a lot of money... The parent comment is kinda right crypto currencies could help here
nikanj 8y ago
Looking at the revenue, growth rates, etc, it looks like Youtube sadly does not need to do better. It seems protecting the rights of massive media companies at the expense of tiny players has resulted them in attracting the massive crowds, at the expense of tiny crowds. Keeping Marvel trailers and Madonna music videos up brings in much more money than serving the indie sector. They care very little for the false positives, because only false negatives actually cost them money.
- soheil 8y ago
  It seems like such a blanket statement to say that false negatives don't cost them money so they just let is happen. First it's very clear that Youtube spend considerable effort creating content ID and not used a dumb filter which would have been so easy to create and might I add cheaper also. They also care about their reputation to the extent that it doesn't impede them in making money in a significant way. Don't get me wrong I completely think Youtube's copyright system is a joke and for instance if Kim .com was operating it, it would have been raided by the FBI out of existence spontaneously.
  - ehsankia 8y ago
    Right, they've clearly put a lot of amazing work on the engineering side, but sadly, this is something that really need more humans. Especially in the edge cases. I don't know if anyone remembers how bad Steam customer services used to be. They tried super hard to use engineering to solve it and it was awful. They finally gave up and hired more people and now it's much better. This definitely isn't an easy problem as some make it, but yeah I don't think the answer lies in better algorithms. You just need a lot more partner supports that actually assist creators who run into issues.
- koolba 8y ago
  Clear your browser history and load a “fresh” YouTube to see how low that denominator is.
  - annadane 8y ago
allpratik 8y ago
It's sad to hear this. We're currently building a video streaming platform (live and VoD) with a major focus on letting our users control their entire brand identity and viewers. I might personally help you to resolve this situation. But we need to explore and scope it out. I'm currently the head of the product here at vVents (we're hunting for better name now, since our product is ready! ). When we started with our platform, we genuinely felt a need to help artists stand on their own feet. Unlike other platforms, it was and is hard to cache our frontend assets, because everything is customizable. But we still took a bet to fix many issues just to make sure our users can showcase their own brand. If you, or any other person needs to react out to me please mail me at pk at vVents dot com

by chirau 8y ago

ckocagil 8y ago

Or maybe instead of crying and groveling at Google's feet we could get up in arms and create a better platform. But, oh, we can't make it a centralized platform because then we'd have to replicate something similar to Youtube's copyright system to avoid getting litigated to death by media companies. So how about a federated or fully distributed platform? That could work... except it couldn't use regular payment processors because they will block payments. I seriously believe cryptocurrencies were the final piece to this puzzle. Maybe we'll see a resurrection of cryptocurrencies in 5 to 10 years, like the one the internet had after the dotcom bubble.

paulpauper 8y ago
there are tons of alternatives. the probme is, no traffic, no viralness, and terrible user experience relative to YouTube
- ttoinou 8y ago
  Chicken and egg issue and having good website with good UX and good bandwidth and accepting anyone who wants to open his own channel costs a lot of money... The parent comment is kinda right crypto currencies could help here

nikanj 8y ago

Looking at the revenue, growth rates, etc, it looks like Youtube sadly does not need to do better. It seems protecting the rights of massive media companies at the expense of tiny players has resulted them in attracting the massive crowds, at the expense of tiny crowds. Keeping Marvel trailers and Madonna music videos up brings in much more money than serving the indie sector. They care very little for the false positives, because only false negatives actually cost them money.

soheil 8y ago
It seems like such a blanket statement to say that false negatives don't cost them money so they just let is happen. First it's very clear that Youtube spend considerable effort creating content ID and not used a dumb filter which would have been so easy to create and might I add cheaper also. They also care about their reputation to the extent that it doesn't impede them in making money in a significant way. Don't get me wrong I completely think Youtube's copyright system is a joke and for instance if Kim .com was operating it, it would have been raided by the FBI out of existence spontaneously.
- ehsankia 8y ago
  Right, they've clearly put a lot of amazing work on the engineering side, but sadly, this is something that really need more humans. Especially in the edge cases. I don't know if anyone remembers how bad Steam customer services used to be. They tried super hard to use engineering to solve it and it was awful. They finally gave up and hired more people and now it's much better. This definitely isn't an easy problem as some make it, but yeah I don't think the answer lies in better algorithms. You just need a lot more partner supports that actually assist creators who run into issues.
koolba 8y ago
Clear your browser history and load a “fresh” YouTube to see how low that denominator is.
- annadane 8y ago

allpratik 8y ago

It's sad to hear this. We're currently building a video streaming platform (live and VoD) with a major focus on letting our users control their entire brand identity and viewers. I might personally help you to resolve this situation. But we need to explore and scope it out. I'm currently the head of the product here at vVents (we're hunting for better name now, since our product is ready! ). When we started with our platform, we genuinely felt a need to help artists stand on their own feet. Unlike other platforms, it was and is hard to cache our frontend assets, because everything is customizable. But we still took a bet to fix many issues just to make sure our users can showcase their own brand. If you, or any other person needs to react out to me please mail me at pk at vVents dot com