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What 'far more broken, dangerous, and sinister' things have filled the void left by Judeo-Christian values? There's a long history of Judeo-Christian values bei
by hnmonkey 8y ago
What 'far more broken, dangerous, and sinister' things have filled the void left by Judeo-Christian values? There's a long history of Judeo-Christian values being pretty broken, dangerous, and sinister themselves. The Spanish Inquisition is just 1 of many examples.
- shawnz 8y agoYouTubers might not be able to get famous as easily if they link the wrong channels
- fareesh 8y agoThe culture of deprioritizing free speech, free association, presumption of innocence and other such principles in lieu of "virtuous" principles that seek to right the wrongs of society. So hypothetically if you say the wrong terminology to refer to a group of people, then you have blasphemed and regardless of context your use of the terminology deprives you of due process, presumption of innocence and freedom of speech. Anyone who defends you has their freedom of association revoked. Stories like these seem to be becoming more and more common. The dark and sinister replacement seem to be a new set of rules whose goal is to protect people from certain blasphemies. At one time it was the sun revolving around the earth or denial if the ressurrection of Christ. Today it's some forbidden phrase like Merry Christmas or handicapped or midget. If you are the CEO of Firefox or Oculus rift, you are fired for your charitable donations. Freedom of association is far more important to society than the harm done by a CEO who blasphemes or pays people to blaspheme.
- leereeves 8y agoThe Spanish Inquisition occurred under the aegis of a church that had strayed so far from Judeo-Christian values that many of the most pious people in Europe would soon abandon it. Judeo-Christian values are hard to pin down, but I feel confident that the 15th century Catholic Church did not reflect those values.
- wp381640 8y agoIsn't that just a way of saying Judeo-Christian values are anything good Judeo-Christians have done, but none of the bad stuff?
- leereeves 8y agoIsn't that what "values" means? Things that "good" people do and "bad" people don't. I'm just offering the Reformation as evidence that even people in the 1500s didn't consider the behavior of the Catholic Church at that time "good". Edit: As the responses point out, people don't all agree about values. I didn't mean to imply otherwise.
- wp381640 8y agoValues aren't only the good - you want them to be only the good. It's like asking to judge the character of a person by only the good they do, not the bad
- hnmonkey 8y agoI don't think values means that at all. Some of the most evil people in history had values too, but they were considered awful by others. Many times in history their values from their perspective were noble, yet to others they were murdering people for their thoughts or speech.
- dragonwriter 8y ago> The Spanish Inquisition occurred under the aegis of a church that had strayed so far from Judeo-Christian values that many of the most pious people in Europe would soon abandon it. The Spanish Inquisition (unlike the Papal Inquisitions, or the later Roman Inquisition) occurred under the aegis exclusivelt of the Spanish Crown; and “Judeo-Christian values” are most often cited as a thing by evangelical and fundamentalist Protestants trying to pretend that their views (often quite personal and not even broad enough to be sectarian) have some kind of broader grounding than can be justified factually. > Judeo-Christian values are hard to pin down Because “Judeo-Christian values” aren't actually a thing.
- etrautmann 8y agoThis is a preposterous false dilemma.