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It's interesting to compare the level of forgiveness / empathy from news organizations like Vox and Vice depending on the subject they are covering. 1. Youtube

It's interesting to compare the level of forgiveness / empathy from news organizations like Vox and Vice depending on the subject they are covering. 1. Youtube star who links a white supremacist channel and then immediately disavows it - still a racist. 2. Democratic presidential candidate (Obama) meets with and has photos taken with avowed racist and anti-Semite (Farrakhan) and then disavows it a few years later - no problems here. Websites with discussion (like hacker news) have simple rules like "assume good faith." If somebody says they don't believe something, participants are expected to accept that, unless there is evidence to the contrary. Yet, "respected news organizations" like Vox and Vice only presume good faith for people who agree with them.

akhilcacharya 8y ago
And yet, when 3. our current president said there were "fine people on both sides" it's still racist, because it is a pattern of behavior. It's not a single incident. Obama disavowed Wright and Farrakhan in a speech that was praised by nearly everyone, including Mike Huckabee and John McCain, and was president for 8 years without winking at Nazis, white supremacists, or anti-semites like Farrakhan.
- anon12345690 8y ago
  do you realize that people use bad words all the time in real life? saying a few bad words when you record yourself hours every day is not a big deal and almost everyone can look past it because other than some words he hasnt actually done anything meanwhile you should probably pay attention to actual fascists out there in the world like in china and russia
  - akhilcacharya 8y ago
    Because most people don’t use the nslur against people even in “heated gaming moments”
    - username90 8y ago
      Young people in Sweden used it kinda like "fucker" when pewdiepie grew up. It is wrong to use the word that way for the same reason it is wrong to use the word retarded etc and he should stop, but using it is in no way proof that he is a racist.
      - akhilcacharya 8y ago
        That, plus the fiverr stuff, plus the E;R shoutout, plus the n-word? It's a pattern of behavior of either being racist or being incredibly irresponsible and ignorant. Not that it absolves him of even saying it, which is pretty bad on its own, especially in a pejorative sense. For the record, I know from being on the receiving end that racist young people use it in America too so he's not getting a pass on that from me (nor should he).
        username90 8y ago
        You can't judge a white Swede with the same standard as a white American, they grew up in completely different cultures. In Sweden saying the n word was completely normal 20 years ago and almost everybody did it, not just racists but a lot of immigration friendly people as well. That means that pewdiepie having that word in his unconscious vocabulary is not a sign of him being a racist, but of him having grown up in Sweden in the 90's. White Americans on the other hand have been drilled not to say the word for a long time (kinda like Voldemort in harry potter) so to them it is unthinkable to say the word like that, but pewdiepie didn't have the luxury of growing up in USA. Being lenient to foreigners is an important part of globalism, he did something wrong, said he was sorry and he is unlikely to do it again, why is it so important to you to press further? Also many racist things that would be totally unacceptable in Sweden are common in USA so it is not like we are more tolerant or racist than you are over there, we just focus on different things. For example in Sweden it is unacceptable to group people together like "African American", expressions like that are there to alienate groups. Instead we think it is enough to call everyone "Swedish", it is unthinkable that a politician would start calling immigrants "Afro Swedish". Or at least it was seems like we have gotten more influenced by USA now. But another thing: In Sweden it is seen as very racist to ask about race, gather data about race etc, while in USA that is mandatory. A politician suggesting adding such measures would get called a Nazi and thrown out immediately. About the other things, pewdiepie has produced around 600 hours of original video content with edgy humor on his own, each clip getting millions of views. Edgy humor tends to skirt on whats acceptable and he is bound to make mistakes sometimes, especially with the cultural differences between Sweden and USA. I think it is stranger that they haven't found more dirt on him on than they did.

akhilcacharya 8y ago

And yet, when 3. our current president said there were "fine people on both sides" it's still racist, because it is a pattern of behavior. It's not a single incident. Obama disavowed Wright and Farrakhan in a speech that was praised by nearly everyone, including Mike Huckabee and John McCain, and was president for 8 years without winking at Nazis, white supremacists, or anti-semites like Farrakhan.

anon12345690 8y ago
do you realize that people use bad words all the time in real life? saying a few bad words when you record yourself hours every day is not a big deal and almost everyone can look past it because other than some words he hasnt actually done anything meanwhile you should probably pay attention to actual fascists out there in the world like in china and russia
- akhilcacharya 8y ago
  Because most people don’t use the nslur against people even in “heated gaming moments”
  - username90 8y ago
    Young people in Sweden used it kinda like "fucker" when pewdiepie grew up. It is wrong to use the word that way for the same reason it is wrong to use the word retarded etc and he should stop, but using it is in no way proof that he is a racist.
    - akhilcacharya 8y ago
      That, plus the fiverr stuff, plus the E;R shoutout, plus the n-word? It's a pattern of behavior of either being racist or being incredibly irresponsible and ignorant. Not that it absolves him of even saying it, which is pretty bad on its own, especially in a pejorative sense. For the record, I know from being on the receiving end that racist young people use it in America too so he's not getting a pass on that from me (nor should he).
      - username90 8y ago
        You can't judge a white Swede with the same standard as a white American, they grew up in completely different cultures. In Sweden saying the n word was completely normal 20 years ago and almost everybody did it, not just racists but a lot of immigration friendly people as well. That means that pewdiepie having that word in his unconscious vocabulary is not a sign of him being a racist, but of him having grown up in Sweden in the 90's. White Americans on the other hand have been drilled not to say the word for a long time (kinda like Voldemort in harry potter) so to them it is unthinkable to say the word like that, but pewdiepie didn't have the luxury of growing up in USA. Being lenient to foreigners is an important part of globalism, he did something wrong, said he was sorry and he is unlikely to do it again, why is it so important to you to press further? Also many racist things that would be totally unacceptable in Sweden are common in USA so it is not like we are more tolerant or racist than you are over there, we just focus on different things. For example in Sweden it is unacceptable to group people together like "African American", expressions like that are there to alienate groups. Instead we think it is enough to call everyone "Swedish", it is unthinkable that a politician would start calling immigrants "Afro Swedish". Or at least it was seems like we have gotten more influenced by USA now. But another thing: In Sweden it is seen as very racist to ask about race, gather data about race etc, while in USA that is mandatory. A politician suggesting adding such measures would get called a Nazi and thrown out immediately. About the other things, pewdiepie has produced around 600 hours of original video content with edgy humor on his own, each clip getting millions of views. Edgy humor tends to skirt on whats acceptable and he is bound to make mistakes sometimes, especially with the cultural differences between Sweden and USA. I think it is stranger that they haven't found more dirt on him on than they did.