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I used to republish scam marketing videos for binary options trading scams on YouTube.[0] I recently got an email saying they had received a claim from the cop

I used to republish scam marketing videos for binary options trading scams on YouTube.[0] I recently got an email saying they had received a claim from the copyright holder, which seems strange as it is unlikely that the copyright holder would wish to identify themself. The so-called "copyright holder" was actually a music publisher, and there was music in the video at various points, so I assumed it must be about that. But I looked at the identified time section, and there was no music at all. It was just a guy talking. I have no idea why it matched. I submitted an appeal. It gives you several options for why you want to appeal, but notably absent is "the video does not contain any of the claimant's material", so my "appeal" had to be submitted on the grounds that my (non-)usage of the claimant's audio is fair use... YouTube's copyright system is laughable. [0] If you're interested, this is one of my favourites: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BeeUXNF1H8s https://youtube.com/watch?v=BeeUXNF1H8s

themodelplumber 8y ago
Ah man. That video :/ so awkward. Looks like they used some 3D-rendered backgrounds, too? I do career coaching and occasionally get clients who have worked for incredibly scammy outfits. It's sad but these businesses can easily grow on the backs of (often really low-paid) employees who are just treading water in their careers, and the employees typically hear similar career-related promises from the principals. "You'll be off the ground floor in no time," etc.
skilled 8y ago
That video is hilarious! The stone-cold act, basement dwelling 'reviews', green screen -- let's get it!
- ehsankia 8y ago
  That "professional trader" was over-acting the hell out of that scene. I also love that each consecutive "day", they had the same clothes but slightly more undressed.
  - pooppaint 8y ago
    He might just really like that style of shirt and have a bunch. Like do you have a 78% success rate?
- slim 8y ago
  Also, wears a wig
alexpetralia 8y ago
This is a really fascinating channel. There is a whole underground network of this stuff most of us are probably not privy to. You can tell it's a successful scam because these are not one-off videos but seemingly tried-and-true formulas. Edit: also fascinating that scams call out other scams, such as this: https://www.binaryoptions-sentinel.com/the-trader-app-scam-thetraderapp-review/ https://www.binaryoptions-sentinel.com/the-trader-app-scam-t...
babuskov 8y ago
> I recently got an email "an email". You're lucky. I got a couple of videos with Creative Commons music. I also contacted the original author and copyright holder about this. Apparently CDBaby just took his songs and files copyright claims on all YouTube videos with his music. He's a poor guy from Australia and has no resources to go against them. So, now, every time I get a copyright claim, I have to challenge it. After giving the evidence, they just let me have it, wait a couple of weeks and submit the same claim again. What's funny is that if you go to that album's page on CD Baby, you can see that the Creative Commons license and original author's name and copyright are right there next to the option to listen to the songs. After numerous claims, I finally gave up and just removed the audio track on all the videos myself. If you read the thing carefully, YouTube doesn't even review the case. Whatever you write there goes directly to people claiming to be the "copyright holder". YouTube should really have an option "The claimant doesn't have copyright on this material". If you give enough evidence, and if they release the claim on video after that was checked, the claimant should lose the right to claim copyright on that audio match for all videos.
- fencepost 8y ago
  Were those Content ID or manual claims? If manual and you cared about the fight it seems like there might be avenues....
  - babuskov 8y ago
    > Were those Content ID or manual claims? ContentID. But I feel like that's good. It means that the audio is already in YouTube database, so YouTube could simply remove that audio from that claimant's "library" of protected works.
- paulie_a 8y ago
  Or just ignore the claim via YouTube and reupload the video. Then send a letter to CDbaby literally telling them you will continue to reupload it and to fuck off.
  - sieabahlpark 8y ago
MagicPropmaker 8y ago
I play the piano and sometimes record and put on YouTube. Over 50% of the time, I get a copyright claim, usually from a big publisher, that my recording of myself that I made myself, of Bach, Chopin, Liszt, etc., is violating their copyright. And I, too, am angered that there's no option in the contact from YouTube for "this is a fraudulent or false claim. I own this material." YouTube should tell BMI, Sony, DG, to be more careful when flagging amateur performances of classical works.
- heyjudy 8y ago
  YT doesn't care because megacorps and a handful of elite creators butter their bread. The only way around this is just like the problem with ad-driven journalism: content and user-experience corrupted by perverse relationships and motivations... corpo bullshit. User-supported journalism works, so must streaming to break free of megacorp bullshit.
  - B-Con 8y ago
    I can only assume YT bends over backward to cater to the copyright claimees so that the major labels keep uploading their copyrighted content to official channels. Basically, at some point this conversation happened: Label: We don't want to upload our music to YouTube because we're afraid of piracy. YouTube: We promise that won't be a problem. We'll work with you to ensure you'll be happy with the state of things on YouTube. The current system was born of that and nobody gives a hoot about the small/medium players who get screwed over by the insanity.
    - TeMPOraL 8y ago
      > The current system was born of that and nobody gives a hoot about the small/medium players who get screwed over by the insanity. No surprise there. Encouraging small creators may have been necessary at some point, to increase user base, but at this point it's the creators that are compelled to be on YouTube, because that's where the audience is. Meanwhile, as long as the big labels upload their official music videos to YouTube, the userbase is pretty much guaranteed.
jwxz 8y ago
You should upload some of those videos to https://archive.org https://archive.org
- jstanley 8y ago
  Thanks! I didn't know that was possible. The only reason I put anything on YouTube is because it's the most convenient video hosting platform. If archive.org can host videos, that is perfect.
humphreybc 8y ago
That video is hilarious!

themodelplumber 8y ago

Ah man. That video :/ so awkward. Looks like they used some 3D-rendered backgrounds, too? I do career coaching and occasionally get clients who have worked for incredibly scammy outfits. It's sad but these businesses can easily grow on the backs of (often really low-paid) employees who are just treading water in their careers, and the employees typically hear similar career-related promises from the principals. "You'll be off the ground floor in no time," etc.

skilled 8y ago

That video is hilarious! The stone-cold act, basement dwelling 'reviews', green screen -- let's get it!

ehsankia 8y ago
That "professional trader" was over-acting the hell out of that scene. I also love that each consecutive "day", they had the same clothes but slightly more undressed.
- pooppaint 8y ago
  He might just really like that style of shirt and have a bunch. Like do you have a 78% success rate?
slim 8y ago
Also, wears a wig

alexpetralia 8y ago

This is a really fascinating channel. There is a whole underground network of this stuff most of us are probably not privy to. You can tell it's a successful scam because these are not one-off videos but seemingly tried-and-true formulas. Edit: also fascinating that scams call out other scams, such as this: https://www.binaryoptions-sentinel.com/the-trader-app-scam-thetraderapp-review/ https://www.binaryoptions-sentinel.com/the-trader-app-scam-t...

babuskov 8y ago

> I recently got an email "an email". You're lucky. I got a couple of videos with Creative Commons music. I also contacted the original author and copyright holder about this. Apparently CDBaby just took his songs and files copyright claims on all YouTube videos with his music. He's a poor guy from Australia and has no resources to go against them. So, now, every time I get a copyright claim, I have to challenge it. After giving the evidence, they just let me have it, wait a couple of weeks and submit the same claim again. What's funny is that if you go to that album's page on CD Baby, you can see that the Creative Commons license and original author's name and copyright are right there next to the option to listen to the songs. After numerous claims, I finally gave up and just removed the audio track on all the videos myself. If you read the thing carefully, YouTube doesn't even review the case. Whatever you write there goes directly to people claiming to be the "copyright holder". YouTube should really have an option "The claimant doesn't have copyright on this material". If you give enough evidence, and if they release the claim on video after that was checked, the claimant should lose the right to claim copyright on that audio match for all videos.

fencepost 8y ago
Were those Content ID or manual claims? If manual and you cared about the fight it seems like there might be avenues....
- babuskov 8y ago
  > Were those Content ID or manual claims? ContentID. But I feel like that's good. It means that the audio is already in YouTube database, so YouTube could simply remove that audio from that claimant's "library" of protected works.
paulie_a 8y ago
Or just ignore the claim via YouTube and reupload the video. Then send a letter to CDbaby literally telling them you will continue to reupload it and to fuck off.
- sieabahlpark 8y ago

MagicPropmaker 8y ago

I play the piano and sometimes record and put on YouTube. Over 50% of the time, I get a copyright claim, usually from a big publisher, that my recording of myself that I made myself, of Bach, Chopin, Liszt, etc., is violating their copyright. And I, too, am angered that there's no option in the contact from YouTube for "this is a fraudulent or false claim. I own this material." YouTube should tell BMI, Sony, DG, to be more careful when flagging amateur performances of classical works.

heyjudy 8y ago
YT doesn't care because megacorps and a handful of elite creators butter their bread. The only way around this is just like the problem with ad-driven journalism: content and user-experience corrupted by perverse relationships and motivations... corpo bullshit. User-supported journalism works, so must streaming to break free of megacorp bullshit.
- B-Con 8y ago
  I can only assume YT bends over backward to cater to the copyright claimees so that the major labels keep uploading their copyrighted content to official channels. Basically, at some point this conversation happened: Label: We don't want to upload our music to YouTube because we're afraid of piracy. YouTube: We promise that won't be a problem. We'll work with you to ensure you'll be happy with the state of things on YouTube. The current system was born of that and nobody gives a hoot about the small/medium players who get screwed over by the insanity.
  - TeMPOraL 8y ago
    > The current system was born of that and nobody gives a hoot about the small/medium players who get screwed over by the insanity. No surprise there. Encouraging small creators may have been necessary at some point, to increase user base, but at this point it's the creators that are compelled to be on YouTube, because that's where the audience is. Meanwhile, as long as the big labels upload their official music videos to YouTube, the userbase is pretty much guaranteed.

jwxz 8y ago

You should upload some of those videos to https://archive.org https://archive.org

jstanley 8y ago
Thanks! I didn't know that was possible. The only reason I put anything on YouTube is because it's the most convenient video hosting platform. If archive.org can host videos, that is perfect.

humphreybc 8y ago

That video is hilarious!