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Do not forget a thing: Stalin at start receive big money from British crown, not much differently than Lenin from Germany before.
by xte 8y ago
Do not forget a thing: Stalin at start receive big money from British crown, not much differently than Lenin from Germany before.
- lostlogin 8y agoCould you explain this further? My understating is that Stalin was a key part of party finances early on but obtained money via robbery, hijacking, murder and other violent methods. The party tried hard to restrain him but loved the cash. Why would the British want instability in Russia? That would suit Germany.
- xte 8y agoAt first yes, Stalin was a thief that give money to bolsheviks, after Lenin death however was founded by British crown to avoid the "new regime" became more "socialist" instead of more dictatorial. Basically no "western" élites want socialism and they do their best to stop them, they found ex socialist like Mussolini in Italy, they found "communism", they found nazism to stop that trans-national movement.
- simonh 8y agoWow, they sound astoundingly well informed, well organised, influential, disciplined and effective. No wonder Neville Chamberlain was able to lead and control events so decisively.
- badpun 8y agoAny sources to back this up? Seems unlikely than those elites would support regimes that nearly defeated the West, just for the sake of suppressing socialists.
- lostlogin 8y agoIt would certainly be interesting to have supported the White army (including landing troops) and then fund the reds. I don’t believe this happened but that whole time period is incredibly complex and every time I think I understand part of it, it turns out I don’t.
- xte 8y agoWhite army was actively supported by UK, France, USA, Italy, Japan (White Siberian/Kolčak Army for Japan) and many others, even with landing troops, but after the substantial defeat and the food crisis of 1921-23 UK came in through "Save the Children" (formally and NGO created to help Russians people in trouble with Bolshevik government approval) and taking advantage of Lenin health crisis they offer support to Stalin and they maintain it for many years becoming de facto a "new economic friend" like Germany was for Lenin.
- xte 8y agoOnly on paper unfortunately, however you can easily find small bits of information online, mostly about part of governments or single companies supporting many dictatorship even when their country formally combat them... On "élites" consider a thing, if you are "Standard Oil" (that support nazis even during the first years of WWII) for you a government or another means nothing: you are needed by any parties and you'll be kept by both if you play your cards well, it's only a matter of business ability and timing. For instance actual "powerful&rich" automotive industry in Germany is property of the same families that finance nazis at their times, governments have changes, war etc does not change their business much, only vary a bit cash flow and volumes. Same in Italy, same in USA, same in Russian federation, Japan etc. The only real problem for such subjects is a government really lead by citizen instead of by a kind of dictatorship, that's will really hurt their business. Dictatorship of any color for them are the same.