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> the native Japanese will eventually cease to exist Uh, what? After a generation, those immigrants will have children who are Japanese. Their native home wil

by Latty 8y ago

> the native Japanese will eventually cease to exist Uh, what? After a generation, those immigrants will have children who are Japanese. Their native home will be Japan. If your point is about ethnicity, then I don't see what the problem is. It's also ridiculous to suggest that Japanese ethnicity will cease to exist. Sure, you'd see more race mixing, but again, how is that a problem? The US still has native American ethnicity, and that's pretty much as extreme as immigration gets - any modern immigration system is never going to have that level of disparity. The quality of life for young people is not good in Japanese society right now, sounds like your motivation is more about preserving some notion of racial "purity" than anything that actually matters.

saywhatnowman 8y ago
It's very offensive to imply that the Japanese have nothing unique to offer the world other than a passport. In fact it comes off as very hateful and rude. Japan is more than a piece of land, or a group of people who make television programs and video games for you to enjoy. They are many millions of families each with a rich history that the world would be poorer for losing. And yes, if they stop having children or they lose their island then all of that will be lost. Denying them this is tantamount to denying their humanity.
- irrational 8y ago
  I don’t know if this is a good argument. The Sumerians, Etruscans, Olmecs, etc. had a rich history that the world is probably the poorer for losing, but how often do any of us fret about that?
  - saywhatnowman 8y ago
    Perhaps, but then again, why shouldn't we care? Don't we care about animal species going extinct? There is value in preserving various approaches to life. Both at a biological and cultural level. It's a pity to see ways of life stop existing when they could have been spared.
- Latty 8y ago
  You are putting words in my mouth and misrepresenting my argument, as I suspect from your tone you are aware. Immigrants (and furthermore children of immigrants) can and do respect and uphold the culture of the nation they move to. The idea that immigration destroys culture is patently false and there are countless counter-examples. This view of immigration as "replacement" is just obviously wrong.
sprash 8y ago
> After a generation, those immigrants will have children who are Japanese. Their native home will be Japan. Since Japanese culture/society will not accept anybody into their "inner circle" those immigrants will build parallel societies. A diaspora usually heavily connected to their original homeland and not their host. If those get really big, they will have influence in politics which again will change the face and culture of Japan forever. This has nothing to do with racial purity. It has to do with what is in the best interest of the Japanese people.
- Latty 8y ago
  Why is Japanese culture and society not changing in the best interest of the Japanese people?

by Latty 8y ago

saywhatnowman 8y ago

It's very offensive to imply that the Japanese have nothing unique to offer the world other than a passport. In fact it comes off as very hateful and rude. Japan is more than a piece of land, or a group of people who make television programs and video games for you to enjoy. They are many millions of families each with a rich history that the world would be poorer for losing. And yes, if they stop having children or they lose their island then all of that will be lost. Denying them this is tantamount to denying their humanity.

irrational 8y ago
I don’t know if this is a good argument. The Sumerians, Etruscans, Olmecs, etc. had a rich history that the world is probably the poorer for losing, but how often do any of us fret about that?
- saywhatnowman 8y ago
  Perhaps, but then again, why shouldn't we care? Don't we care about animal species going extinct? There is value in preserving various approaches to life. Both at a biological and cultural level. It's a pity to see ways of life stop existing when they could have been spared.
Latty 8y ago
You are putting words in my mouth and misrepresenting my argument, as I suspect from your tone you are aware. Immigrants (and furthermore children of immigrants) can and do respect and uphold the culture of the nation they move to. The idea that immigration destroys culture is patently false and there are countless counter-examples. This view of immigration as "replacement" is just obviously wrong.

sprash 8y ago

> After a generation, those immigrants will have children who are Japanese. Their native home will be Japan. Since Japanese culture/society will not accept anybody into their "inner circle" those immigrants will build parallel societies. A diaspora usually heavily connected to their original homeland and not their host. If those get really big, they will have influence in politics which again will change the face and culture of Japan forever. This has nothing to do with racial purity. It has to do with what is in the best interest of the Japanese people.

Latty 8y ago
Why is Japanese culture and society not changing in the best interest of the Japanese people?