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This article is mostly political, and not very technical. I don't think it is appropriate on HN. But as that is not my call... The Data & Society report by Reb

This article is mostly political, and not very technical. I don't think it is appropriate on HN. But as that is not my call... The Data & Society report by Rebecca Lewis (quoted in this article as a source) is very poorly done. It brands people who are clearly on the left as "alt-right" because they have either once spoken to an alt-right person, or even (in one case) simply been at the same event (not an alt-right event) with an alt-right person (Tim Pool, evidence in his YouTube videos on the subject). I'm defending the 4/5 people who have been labelled "alt-right" by groups like Data & Society and by articles like this one, who believe in equal opportunity, legal immigration, individualism, and principles of the enlightenment. Most of them are progressives and several of them are jews. Lumping them in with "fascists," "racists", "nazis", or people who yelled "Jews will not replace us!" is factually wrong, morally wrong, and has done real-world damage to them. This includes people such as Jordan Peterson, Tim Pool, Eric Weinstein, Dave Rubin, James Damore, Ben Shapiro, Joe Rogan, and yes even Carl Benjamin (Sargon of Akkad). I am NOT defending Richard Spencer, Stephan Molyneux or Milo Yiannopoulos. I've listened to them, I disagree with them, and I think "alt-right" is an appropriate for them. There seems to be a mass delusion going on here. Folks on the left talk about the boogy-man "alt-right" and label people at whim, and then everyone is scared to actually go and fact-check lest they be discovered watching "alt-right" material. The predictable result? The set of people labelled "alt-right" just gets bigger and bigger.

someguydave 8y ago
I appreciate the courage it took to write this comment on HN.
KozmoNau7 8y ago
All of the people you mentioned are working to further fascism and inflame hatred and division. Don't just believe what they say, do some actual digging. Contrary to what you believe, we lefties do actually fact check, and it's not looking good for Jordan P. et al.
- brynjar 8y ago
  ‘working to further fascism’ Examples please!
  - KozmoNau7 8y ago
    By normalizing alt-right and trad right rhetoric, and by creating distrust of minorities.
    - badpun 8y ago
      Please give examples for creating distrust of minorities, specifically for Jordan Peterson. Also, how does "normalizing trad-right rethoric" equal "working to further fascism and inflame hatred and division"? Where do traditional right values equate fasism, hatred and division?
      - KozmoNau7 8y ago
        Jordan Peterson repeatedly and strongly denies the existence of any white hetero cis male privilege. He also refuses to acknowledge trans people and gay marriage, he somehow ties feminism to Muslims because "women desire strong men", and he lashes out against any art that challenges traditionalist perceptions of the world and society, tying it all into his "cultural marxism" conspiracy theory. His list of absolutely nonsense racist, bigoted and misogynistic statements is basically endless, it's in everything he says. He leans on the MRA/MGTOW side of things, which has a clear and documented link to the alt-right right, a neo-fascist movement. Regarding trad right, that is simply an ideology of exploiting the working class for the benefit of capitalists, to the overall detriment of society and life in general.
        badpun 8y ago
        > He also refuses to acknowledge trans people Have you listened to him? He specifically speaks that he's been in good contact with trans people, who often thank him for his actions. As for the rest of the items you listed, they look like your opinions on him, not facts. I was hoping for direct quotations from Peterson. For example, how do you back your claim that he's speaking "absolutely nonsense racist and misogynistic statements"? I've listened to probably about 100 hours of Peterson and I haven't ever heard any. Please give citations.
mikedilger 8y ago
I have to amend my statement here somewhat. I hadn't really looked into Milo, I just assumed based on what everyone was saying about him. Turns out he's not alt-right either. You see? I was duped by the label-everyone-alt-right mob. Makes my point even stronger, I think. As for Stephan, I've listened to about 8 hours of his stuff and I can't find any direct racism, but he is strangely fascinated with the connection between race and IQ, and not in a provocateur way either.

someguydave 8y ago

I appreciate the courage it took to write this comment on HN.

KozmoNau7 8y ago

All of the people you mentioned are working to further fascism and inflame hatred and division. Don't just believe what they say, do some actual digging. Contrary to what you believe, we lefties do actually fact check, and it's not looking good for Jordan P. et al.

brynjar 8y ago
‘working to further fascism’ Examples please!
- KozmoNau7 8y ago
  By normalizing alt-right and trad right rhetoric, and by creating distrust of minorities.
  - badpun 8y ago
    Please give examples for creating distrust of minorities, specifically for Jordan Peterson. Also, how does "normalizing trad-right rethoric" equal "working to further fascism and inflame hatred and division"? Where do traditional right values equate fasism, hatred and division?
    - KozmoNau7 8y ago
      Jordan Peterson repeatedly and strongly denies the existence of any white hetero cis male privilege. He also refuses to acknowledge trans people and gay marriage, he somehow ties feminism to Muslims because "women desire strong men", and he lashes out against any art that challenges traditionalist perceptions of the world and society, tying it all into his "cultural marxism" conspiracy theory. His list of absolutely nonsense racist, bigoted and misogynistic statements is basically endless, it's in everything he says. He leans on the MRA/MGTOW side of things, which has a clear and documented link to the alt-right right, a neo-fascist movement. Regarding trad right, that is simply an ideology of exploiting the working class for the benefit of capitalists, to the overall detriment of society and life in general.
      - badpun 8y ago
        > He also refuses to acknowledge trans people Have you listened to him? He specifically speaks that he's been in good contact with trans people, who often thank him for his actions. As for the rest of the items you listed, they look like your opinions on him, not facts. I was hoping for direct quotations from Peterson. For example, how do you back your claim that he's speaking "absolutely nonsense racist and misogynistic statements"? I've listened to probably about 100 hours of Peterson and I haven't ever heard any. Please give citations.

mikedilger 8y ago

I have to amend my statement here somewhat. I hadn't really looked into Milo, I just assumed based on what everyone was saying about him. Turns out he's not alt-right either. You see? I was duped by the label-everyone-alt-right mob. Makes my point even stronger, I think. As for Stephan, I've listened to about 8 hours of his stuff and I can't find any direct racism, but he is strangely fascinated with the connection between race and IQ, and not in a provocateur way either.