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I understand the desire to abstract everything to simple, general, easy to follow rules, but it's better to have a better understanding of nutrition. These beli

by a2dam 8y ago

I understand the desire to abstract everything to simple, general, easy to follow rules, but it's better to have a better understanding of nutrition. These beliefs can change over time and that's a good thing, even if it's hard to keep up with.

kevin_thibedeau 8y ago
The problem is that the industry creates and feeds off these "belief systems", constantly cycling through the latest food anxiety to sell more shit. We need less belief and more fact.
- fermienrico 8y ago
  Nutrition is like Audiophilia. Lots of bullshit with little pockets of truth. Why is it that when someone tells me about how I should eat - especially “nutritionists”, mental guards go up in my mind until I see a research paper or some evidence. I don’t, absolutely don’t believe anything I read or hear about nutrition. Just like the audiophile industry. It’s infested with the pseudoscience, marketing assholes and fitness folks who clearly have no desire to learn about the truth, evidence or scientific data. I once searched for which vegetables have the highest concentration of nutrition on Google. After pages and pages of blog spam, men’s magazines and Rachel Ray type nonsense, I stumbled upon a paper from Johns Hopkins about Top 100 healthiest vegetables. They disclosed the exact formula of how the score is calculated. Number 1 was water-crest, Spinach was 7th or 8th and Kale was way back in 50+ rank. I will edit my comment with the link to the paper if I can find it. I have zero trust in nutrition information on the internet or any popular media. And nutritionists.
  - nubbins 8y ago
    That ranking of vegetables matches about what I’d expect if they had rough dollar/nutrition parity. I love water cress but its massively more expensive than kale by weight. In this sense ranking “healthiest” as if it were a choice between infinite amounts of each doesn’t make sense when fresh vegetables are actually pretty expensive.
barry-cotter 8y ago
This would be much more convincing if I didn’t remember salt and dietary cholesterol going from definitely bad to mostly irrelevant or that we were told margarine was healthier than butter. The new health scare is sugar and that’s less than ten years old. Nutritional science in humans is important but it’s also impossible. Leave nutritionists to try and do their research and in your own life ignore everything they say. You can’t do long term randomised control trials, you can barely do short term ones because people do not follow diets. And observational studies are very, very confounded.
- risto1 8y ago
  Salt and dietary cholesterol never went from definitely bad to mostly irrelevant. It's still definitely bad. I'm guessing what you had read are magazine articles and 'nutritionists' coming up with their own theories. If you look at actual recommendations from real organizations from real registered dietitians, the advice has largely not changed: - Don't eat processed crap - Eat mostly plants - Eat lean meats and try to eat more beans and legumes as a protein source - Keep your overall fat intake low - Calcium from low-fat dairy, a milk substitute like almond milk, or plant sources of calcium - Reduce added salt as much as possible - Avoid saturated fat - Avoid dietary cholesterol - Avoid refined carbs - Avoid added sugars and oils And this advice is consistent across health organizations and across different countries. It's scary how much people get all their information from shitty sources and then spread the misinformation everywhere.. Sources: https://www.who.int/en/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/healthy-diet https://www.who.int/en/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/healthy-... https://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2015/guidelines/executive-summary/ https://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2015/guidelines/executi... https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/food-nutrition/canada-food-guide/choosing-foods.html https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/food-nutriti... https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.dge.de/index.php%3Fid%3D52&xid=17259,1500008,15700021,15700124,15700149,15700186,15700191,15700201,15700237,15700242&usg=ALkJrhikcFGd8Jbjo_1ooCpTPKpVaMMeQw# https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&... http://www.mangerbouger.fr/pro/sante/alimentation-19/determinants-de-l-etat-nutritionnel/limiter-la-consommation-de-matieres-grasses.html http://www.mangerbouger.fr/pro/sante/alimentation-19/determi... https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_national_nutrition_sant%C3%A9 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_national_nutrition_s... http://www.fao.org/3/a-as686o.pdf http://www.fao.org/3/a-as686o.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/742750/Eatwell_Guide_booklet_2018v4.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... http://www.fao.org/nutrition/education/food-dietary-guidelines/resources/en/ http://www.fao.org/nutrition/education/food-dietary-guidelin... http://www.fao.org/docrep/pdf/010/ai800e/ai800e00.pdf http://www.fao.org/docrep/pdf/010/ai800e/ai800e00.pdf http://apps.searo.who.int/PDS_DOCS/B4818.pdf http://apps.searo.who.int/PDS_DOCS/B4818.pdf

by a2dam 8y ago

kevin_thibedeau 8y ago

The problem is that the industry creates and feeds off these "belief systems", constantly cycling through the latest food anxiety to sell more shit. We need less belief and more fact.

fermienrico 8y ago
Nutrition is like Audiophilia. Lots of bullshit with little pockets of truth. Why is it that when someone tells me about how I should eat - especially “nutritionists”, mental guards go up in my mind until I see a research paper or some evidence. I don’t, absolutely don’t believe anything I read or hear about nutrition. Just like the audiophile industry. It’s infested with the pseudoscience, marketing assholes and fitness folks who clearly have no desire to learn about the truth, evidence or scientific data. I once searched for which vegetables have the highest concentration of nutrition on Google. After pages and pages of blog spam, men’s magazines and Rachel Ray type nonsense, I stumbled upon a paper from Johns Hopkins about Top 100 healthiest vegetables. They disclosed the exact formula of how the score is calculated. Number 1 was water-crest, Spinach was 7th or 8th and Kale was way back in 50+ rank. I will edit my comment with the link to the paper if I can find it. I have zero trust in nutrition information on the internet or any popular media. And nutritionists.
- nubbins 8y ago
  That ranking of vegetables matches about what I’d expect if they had rough dollar/nutrition parity. I love water cress but its massively more expensive than kale by weight. In this sense ranking “healthiest” as if it were a choice between infinite amounts of each doesn’t make sense when fresh vegetables are actually pretty expensive.

barry-cotter 8y ago

This would be much more convincing if I didn’t remember salt and dietary cholesterol going from definitely bad to mostly irrelevant or that we were told margarine was healthier than butter. The new health scare is sugar and that’s less than ten years old. Nutritional science in humans is important but it’s also impossible. Leave nutritionists to try and do their research and in your own life ignore everything they say. You can’t do long term randomised control trials, you can barely do short term ones because people do not follow diets. And observational studies are very, very confounded.

risto1 8y ago
Salt and dietary cholesterol never went from definitely bad to mostly irrelevant. It's still definitely bad. I'm guessing what you had read are magazine articles and 'nutritionists' coming up with their own theories. If you look at actual recommendations from real organizations from real registered dietitians, the advice has largely not changed: - Don't eat processed crap - Eat mostly plants - Eat lean meats and try to eat more beans and legumes as a protein source - Keep your overall fat intake low - Calcium from low-fat dairy, a milk substitute like almond milk, or plant sources of calcium - Reduce added salt as much as possible - Avoid saturated fat - Avoid dietary cholesterol - Avoid refined carbs - Avoid added sugars and oils And this advice is consistent across health organizations and across different countries. It's scary how much people get all their information from shitty sources and then spread the misinformation everywhere.. Sources: https://www.who.int/en/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/healthy-diet https://www.who.int/en/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/healthy-... https://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2015/guidelines/executive-summary/ https://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2015/guidelines/executi... https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/food-nutrition/canada-food-guide/choosing-foods.html https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/food-nutriti... https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.dge.de/index.php%3Fid%3D52&xid=17259,1500008,15700021,15700124,15700149,15700186,15700191,15700201,15700237,15700242&usg=ALkJrhikcFGd8Jbjo_1ooCpTPKpVaMMeQw# https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&... http://www.mangerbouger.fr/pro/sante/alimentation-19/determinants-de-l-etat-nutritionnel/limiter-la-consommation-de-matieres-grasses.html http://www.mangerbouger.fr/pro/sante/alimentation-19/determi... https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_national_nutrition_sant%C3%A9 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_national_nutrition_s... http://www.fao.org/3/a-as686o.pdf http://www.fao.org/3/a-as686o.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/742750/Eatwell_Guide_booklet_2018v4.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... http://www.fao.org/nutrition/education/food-dietary-guidelines/resources/en/ http://www.fao.org/nutrition/education/food-dietary-guidelin... http://www.fao.org/docrep/pdf/010/ai800e/ai800e00.pdf http://www.fao.org/docrep/pdf/010/ai800e/ai800e00.pdf http://apps.searo.who.int/PDS_DOCS/B4818.pdf http://apps.searo.who.int/PDS_DOCS/B4818.pdf