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You fail to make a coherent point, because you try to differentiate a set (in)permissible actions only by assigning them different names (lying vs. marketing) w

You fail to make a coherent point, because you try to differentiate a set (in)permissible actions only by assigning them different names (lying vs. marketing) without defining them or relating them to examples (of others). As you clearly don't agree with the definitions of other commenters, please construct that system of knowledge yourself, so others can even meaningfully reply.

freedomben 8y ago
Lying: marked by or containing untrue statements[1] Marketing: the process or technique of promoting, selling, and distributing a product or service [2] [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lying https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lying [2] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marketing https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marketing
- mark-r 8y ago
  The cynical among us have noted a correlation between #1 and #2. Even when marketing doesn't say anything strictly untrue, it makes statements that make you think of untrue things.
- ksec 8y ago
  >Lying: marked by or containing untrue statements[1] So are we suggesting 4x4 MIMO, 256 QAM, along with some 3GPP Rel 14 features ( such as lower latency ), eLAA, better FDD-MIMO with LTE as 5G being correct and not lying when the industry as well as previously agreed upon 5G standard were starting at 5G phase 1 with 3GPP Rel 15 using NR? Spec wise, and technically, ( Since we are on HN and talking to Geeks ), this is lying. To consumer, The 3GPP Rel 14, or whatever AT&T is using does actually include many of the 5G improvement. From a Carrier perspective, I have yet to see ANY real world testing results which suggest to me 5G NR is actually that much better. Which means they will need time to do lots more testing and tuning before consumer will see the benefits. It is however important for them to bring their customer base to 3GPP-Rel 14 which supports the FDD-MIMO. ( Unlike TD-MIMO which works with 3GPP-Rel 8 if I remember correctly, so Advantage to Sprint ). But most carrier are using FDD spectrum. Moving the customer to FDD-MIMO capable phone vastly improves the Network Capacity and hence better for everybody on the Network. Another major problem is 5G were far too hyped up, we have seen this far too many times and it seems people never learn anything from it.
- mdpopescu 8y ago
  The problem is that a lot of people fail to parse statements correctly and interpret them to mean something else than they actually do. It's technically not lying. As an example, an ISP advertising speeds "up to 1Gbps", when in reality you usually get 20Mbps, rarely 50Mbps, is not lying - the bandwidth never goes over 1Gbps. However, most of us here would be very upset with the reality when compared to the ad.

freedomben 8y ago

Lying: marked by or containing untrue statements[1] Marketing: the process or technique of promoting, selling, and distributing a product or service [2] [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lying https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lying [2] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marketing https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marketing

mark-r 8y ago
The cynical among us have noted a correlation between #1 and #2. Even when marketing doesn't say anything strictly untrue, it makes statements that make you think of untrue things.
ksec 8y ago
>Lying: marked by or containing untrue statements[1] So are we suggesting 4x4 MIMO, 256 QAM, along with some 3GPP Rel 14 features ( such as lower latency ), eLAA, better FDD-MIMO with LTE as 5G being correct and not lying when the industry as well as previously agreed upon 5G standard were starting at 5G phase 1 with 3GPP Rel 15 using NR? Spec wise, and technically, ( Since we are on HN and talking to Geeks ), this is lying. To consumer, The 3GPP Rel 14, or whatever AT&T is using does actually include many of the 5G improvement. From a Carrier perspective, I have yet to see ANY real world testing results which suggest to me 5G NR is actually that much better. Which means they will need time to do lots more testing and tuning before consumer will see the benefits. It is however important for them to bring their customer base to 3GPP-Rel 14 which supports the FDD-MIMO. ( Unlike TD-MIMO which works with 3GPP-Rel 8 if I remember correctly, so Advantage to Sprint ). But most carrier are using FDD spectrum. Moving the customer to FDD-MIMO capable phone vastly improves the Network Capacity and hence better for everybody on the Network. Another major problem is 5G were far too hyped up, we have seen this far too many times and it seems people never learn anything from it.
mdpopescu 8y ago
The problem is that a lot of people fail to parse statements correctly and interpret them to mean something else than they actually do. It's technically not lying. As an example, an ISP advertising speeds "up to 1Gbps", when in reality you usually get 20Mbps, rarely 50Mbps, is not lying - the bandwidth never goes over 1Gbps. However, most of us here would be very upset with the reality when compared to the ad.