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>I'd be surprised if this will be deemed legal I'm surprised how anyone could think this was a good idea, or even legal. What wouldn't surprise me is an incomi

by _0ffh 8y ago

>I'd be surprised if this will be deemed legal I'm surprised how anyone could think this was a good idea, or even legal. What wouldn't surprise me is an incoming class action.

GreaterFool 8y ago
IANAL but I imagine that the donations are in brave tokens and it may or may not be treated as cash (even though the eventual payout is cash) which may or may not be legal depending on a lot of stuff that's beyond my area of expertise. But if the idea was to 1) create token and 2) YOLO and yeah, lawsuits incoming. But it could be that they have good lawyers and that it is actually legal (although as I write it I don't believe that, haha)
- jacques_chester 8y ago
  Trusteeship, tax laws and the like typically apply to anything of value, whether it's legally a currency or not. If the tokens are valueless, then what is it they're offering? If they have value, how are they excused from usual rules?
  - londons_explore 8y ago
    Presumably the same way supermarket vouchers have a cash vale of $0.0000001
  - londons_explore 8y ago
    Presumably the same way supermarket vouchers have a cash value of $0.0000001
brandnewlow 8y ago
We hadn't considered that many creators would interpret our UI/UX as "solicitation" vs. "letting a user do a thing they want to do in our browser." In any event, the confusion is 100% our fault and we're working on updating the UI and language to be clear based on all the feedback we've gotten. We must do better.
- cfabbro 8y ago
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Du-Bo-rUYAAeU6b.png:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Du-Bo-rUYAAeU6b.png:large Might I also recommend you update the language on the "tips" overlay itself to remove any implication the money is actually going to the creator when the truth is really that its being held by you, essentially in escrow, until they claim it... which they may never actually do. And even using "tips" to describe the process also seems rather misleading in this case too. Also, automatically scraping a creator's profile picture and adding it to your own overlay to give yourself the appearance of legitimately representing them is incredibly misleading as well. So might I suggest you stop doing that too.
  - brandnewlow 8y ago
    We just posted up info about the hotfixes going live and I think you'll see your ideas!. This blog post lays out what we're doing: https://brave.com/rewards-update/ https://brave.com/rewards-update/ Thanks for your feedback and suggestions.

by _0ffh 8y ago

>I'd be surprised if this will be deemed legal I'm surprised how anyone could think this was a good idea, or even legal. What wouldn't surprise me is an incoming class action.

GreaterFool 8y ago

IANAL but I imagine that the donations are in brave tokens and it may or may not be treated as cash (even though the eventual payout is cash) which may or may not be legal depending on a lot of stuff that's beyond my area of expertise. But if the idea was to 1) create token and 2) YOLO and yeah, lawsuits incoming. But it could be that they have good lawyers and that it is actually legal (although as I write it I don't believe that, haha)

jacques_chester 8y ago
Trusteeship, tax laws and the like typically apply to anything of value, whether it's legally a currency or not. If the tokens are valueless, then what is it they're offering? If they have value, how are they excused from usual rules?
- londons_explore 8y ago
  Presumably the same way supermarket vouchers have a cash vale of $0.0000001
- londons_explore 8y ago
  Presumably the same way supermarket vouchers have a cash value of $0.0000001

brandnewlow 8y ago

We hadn't considered that many creators would interpret our UI/UX as "solicitation" vs. "letting a user do a thing they want to do in our browser." In any event, the confusion is 100% our fault and we're working on updating the UI and language to be clear based on all the feedback we've gotten. We must do better.

cfabbro 8y ago
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Du-Bo-rUYAAeU6b.png:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Du-Bo-rUYAAeU6b.png:large Might I also recommend you update the language on the "tips" overlay itself to remove any implication the money is actually going to the creator when the truth is really that its being held by you, essentially in escrow, until they claim it... which they may never actually do. And even using "tips" to describe the process also seems rather misleading in this case too. Also, automatically scraping a creator's profile picture and adding it to your own overlay to give yourself the appearance of legitimately representing them is incredibly misleading as well. So might I suggest you stop doing that too.
- brandnewlow 8y ago
  We just posted up info about the hotfixes going live and I think you'll see your ideas!. This blog post lays out what we're doing: https://brave.com/rewards-update/ https://brave.com/rewards-update/ Thanks for your feedback and suggestions.