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> Mac OS, Windows, Linux, Android, and iOS ... full functionality can’t be dependent on an app which is only available on Mac OS and/or Windows. In other words,

by mithr 8y ago

> Mac OS, Windows, Linux, Android, and iOS ... full functionality can’t be dependent on an app which is only available on Mac OS and/or Windows. In other words, lack of full Linux support is a show-stopper for us. This ruled out 1Password... ...Huh? 1Password supports all of those platforms (including Linux) https://1password.com/downloads/linux/ https://1password.com/downloads/linux/

SloopJon 8y ago
That page says, "Requires Google Chrome or Firefox," and the download link takes you to the Chrome web store. I'm not sure the poster considers that full support.
- bsamuels 8y ago
  How many Linux users don't have chrome or firefox installed? I think the article would be a bit more accurate to say there's not native client support for Linux.
  - avhon1 8y ago
    There are applications besides web browsers that require passwords. For example, password-protected documents, or encrypted archives. A password managers that requires, or only supports, web browsers is incomplete.
    - eridius 8y ago
      A password manager that is only usable in a web browser may be annoying to use for non-web-related tasks, but presumably you can just switch to your web browser, open up the password manager, and then search for what you need within it. It's not like the password manager is restricted to only giving you access to the passwords for the current site.
  - freehunter 8y ago
    None of my headless servers have Chrome or Firefox installed.
    - hnra 8y ago
      They offer a CLI for this case.
  - loeg 8y ago
    Regardless, 1password X does not provide the full functionality of the native apps, so it's fair to say a Mac or Windows app is required for full functionality anyway.
- mithr 8y ago
  That's somewhat fair, although the 1Password X page (which is what AgileBits calls their in-browser version) describes it as being comparable to the native versions, which to me goes against OP's statement that > full functionality can’t be dependent on an app which is only available on Mac OS and/or Windows. The existence of 1Password X means that full functionality is not _dependent_ on a MacOS/Windows app. The argument that there should be a graphical (because there _is_ a multi-platform CLI), native app for Linux, which does not depend on any browser, is a perfectly valid one -- but it is also an argument that I don't believe they've made.
  - jik 8y ago
    There is substantial functionality which is only available in the native app, not in 1Password X, and therefore completely unavailable on Linux. If the 1Password X claims that its functionality is comparable to the native version, then it is lying.
  - loeg 8y ago
    1Password X is definitely not comparable to the native versions, and the statement was "full functionality can’t be dependent on an app which is only available on Mac OS and/or Windows." > The argument that there should be a graphical (because there _is_ a multi-platform CLI), native app for Linux, which does not depend on any browser, is a perfectly valid one -- but it is also an argument that I don't believe they've made. I think they're making that argument.
    - hnra 8y ago
      I have no experience with the mac app but 1Password X is certainly better than the native windows app.
- sano1 8y ago
  How is this different than just trusting the browser to handle saved passwords in an encrypted manner?
vhost- 8y ago
It really doesn't. I'm a full time linux user and I can tell you the support from both lastpass and 1password is abysmal. I have to copy and paste my passwords from both of those platforms using their half-baked browser plugins that rarely work with linux clipboards.
- johnny22 8y ago
  There is an official lastpass cli, but I don't know how well maintained it is. https://github.com/lastpass/lastpass-cli https://github.com/lastpass/lastpass-cli
- coddingtonbear 8y ago
  It's interesting to me that you've had trouble using the 1password browser plugin on linux; it isn't quite as handy as having a native app as you do on OSX, but I've never had any trouble at all with it.
  - monsieurbanana 8y ago
    I also find 1password browser plugin fairly crap. Sometimes it doesn't play nice with chrome, sometimes it doesn't show the correct logins so I have to open the plugin, navigate to it, and then do two copy pastes.
- tyingq 8y ago
  Interesting. Browser plugins, by nature, include source code. I wonder if there's an easy fix. Can you describe the issue in a little more detail?
  - tln 8y ago
    Password managers usually use native messaging, ie a native helper app https://developer.chrome.com/apps/nativeMessaging https://developer.chrome.com/apps/nativeMessaging
  - paul167 8y ago
    I took a shot at building a browser plugin for 1pass [1] a little while back. Turns out, the hardest thing is not the crypto or the browser to app communication, but parsing the HTML to accurately find the login forms. If I remember correctly, the browser plugin on Mac actually sends the entire HTML to the app for parsing. The parser is probably quite complicated and they avoid reimplementing it in extensions that way. [1] https://medium.com/@paulsc/making-a-1password-client-15dd39ac1642 https://medium.com/@paulsc/making-a-1password-client-15dd39a...
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CalRobert 8y ago
Unfortunately, 1Password may find its engineers compromised by their government, by virtue of being Australian.
- speg 8y ago
  I thought they were based out of Toronto, Canada.
- lox 8y ago
  They have literally one support person in Australia.
  - CalRobert 8y ago
    My apologies, I was mistaken.
raverbashing 8y ago
As they note on the table, support is poor, but it exists

by mithr 8y ago

SloopJon 8y ago

That page says, "Requires Google Chrome or Firefox," and the download link takes you to the Chrome web store. I'm not sure the poster considers that full support.

bsamuels 8y ago
How many Linux users don't have chrome or firefox installed? I think the article would be a bit more accurate to say there's not native client support for Linux.
- avhon1 8y ago
  There are applications besides web browsers that require passwords. For example, password-protected documents, or encrypted archives. A password managers that requires, or only supports, web browsers is incomplete.
  - eridius 8y ago
    A password manager that is only usable in a web browser may be annoying to use for non-web-related tasks, but presumably you can just switch to your web browser, open up the password manager, and then search for what you need within it. It's not like the password manager is restricted to only giving you access to the passwords for the current site.
- freehunter 8y ago
  None of my headless servers have Chrome or Firefox installed.
  - hnra 8y ago
    They offer a CLI for this case.
- loeg 8y ago
  Regardless, 1password X does not provide the full functionality of the native apps, so it's fair to say a Mac or Windows app is required for full functionality anyway.
mithr 8y ago
That's somewhat fair, although the 1Password X page (which is what AgileBits calls their in-browser version) describes it as being comparable to the native versions, which to me goes against OP's statement that > full functionality can’t be dependent on an app which is only available on Mac OS and/or Windows. The existence of 1Password X means that full functionality is not _dependent_ on a MacOS/Windows app. The argument that there should be a graphical (because there _is_ a multi-platform CLI), native app for Linux, which does not depend on any browser, is a perfectly valid one -- but it is also an argument that I don't believe they've made.
- jik 8y ago
  There is substantial functionality which is only available in the native app, not in 1Password X, and therefore completely unavailable on Linux. If the 1Password X claims that its functionality is comparable to the native version, then it is lying.
- loeg 8y ago
  1Password X is definitely not comparable to the native versions, and the statement was "full functionality can’t be dependent on an app which is only available on Mac OS and/or Windows." > The argument that there should be a graphical (because there _is_ a multi-platform CLI), native app for Linux, which does not depend on any browser, is a perfectly valid one -- but it is also an argument that I don't believe they've made. I think they're making that argument.
  - hnra 8y ago
    I have no experience with the mac app but 1Password X is certainly better than the native windows app.
sano1 8y ago
How is this different than just trusting the browser to handle saved passwords in an encrypted manner?

vhost- 8y ago

It really doesn't. I'm a full time linux user and I can tell you the support from both lastpass and 1password is abysmal. I have to copy and paste my passwords from both of those platforms using their half-baked browser plugins that rarely work with linux clipboards.

johnny22 8y ago
There is an official lastpass cli, but I don't know how well maintained it is. https://github.com/lastpass/lastpass-cli https://github.com/lastpass/lastpass-cli
coddingtonbear 8y ago
It's interesting to me that you've had trouble using the 1password browser plugin on linux; it isn't quite as handy as having a native app as you do on OSX, but I've never had any trouble at all with it.
- monsieurbanana 8y ago
  I also find 1password browser plugin fairly crap. Sometimes it doesn't play nice with chrome, sometimes it doesn't show the correct logins so I have to open the plugin, navigate to it, and then do two copy pastes.
tyingq 8y ago
Interesting. Browser plugins, by nature, include source code. I wonder if there's an easy fix. Can you describe the issue in a little more detail?
- tln 8y ago
  Password managers usually use native messaging, ie a native helper app https://developer.chrome.com/apps/nativeMessaging https://developer.chrome.com/apps/nativeMessaging
- paul167 8y ago
  I took a shot at building a browser plugin for 1pass [1] a little while back. Turns out, the hardest thing is not the crypto or the browser to app communication, but parsing the HTML to accurately find the login forms. If I remember correctly, the browser plugin on Mac actually sends the entire HTML to the app for parsing. The parser is probably quite complicated and they avoid reimplementing it in extensions that way. [1] https://medium.com/@paulsc/making-a-1password-client-15dd39ac1642 https://medium.com/@paulsc/making-a-1password-client-15dd39a...

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CalRobert 8y ago

Unfortunately, 1Password may find its engineers compromised by their government, by virtue of being Australian.

speg 8y ago
I thought they were based out of Toronto, Canada.
lox 8y ago
They have literally one support person in Australia.
- CalRobert 8y ago
  My apologies, I was mistaken.

raverbashing 8y ago

As they note on the table, support is poor, but it exists