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I've tried over and over for decades to like Firefox, but I just don't. I can't say it's a rational decision entirely. But beyond that, I just think that Mozill

I've tried over and over for decades to like Firefox, but I just don't. I can't say it's a rational decision entirely. But beyond that, I just think that Mozilla's motives can't really be trusted at face value with the amount of revenue they have these days, and their whole profile sync service. It just comes down to incentives, and any company which collects any kind of data has the incentive to profit at our expense regardless of ideology. Especially where people's salaries could depend on it.

ceejayoz 8y ago
What about the profile sync service can't be trusted? It's end-to-end encrypted. Mozilla doesn't have the keys.
- aphextron 8y ago
  It's just an attack vector I wish didn't exist at all. There's also metadata. Sure Mozilla doesn't have your passwords, but they know who you have passwords with. That creeps me out. There's nothing wrong with the all-purpose heavily featured approach of stuff like Chrome and Firefox, and I get that other people like Sync, I just really wish there was a totally stripped down basic internet browser I could trust.
  - danso 8y ago
    Isn't profile sync opt-in?
  - jlg23 8y ago
    >Sure Mozilla doesn't have your passwords, but they know who you have passwords with. Do they? I just skimmed the source and could not find anything that hints at that (and implementing it the way you said it is makes for much more complex code..)
  - geofft 8y ago
    I just don't enable it. It's not on by default. For the average user—think your uncle who's about to ask you tech support questions this weekend—using Firefox Sync is way better for their privacy and security than reusing the same password everywhere. And for those of us who have and use password managers, Firefox Sync is not on by default—unlike Brave's attention-tracking or Chrome's Google logins.
asadotzler 8y ago
What about the whole profile sync service? It's designed to be privacy preserving by encrypting everything locally with a key only you have. https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/11/firefox-sync-privacy/ https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/11/firefox-sync-privacy/
gaadd33 8y ago
Is Mozilla run that lean even with >$500M in revenue?
- notyourwork 8y ago
  If we didn't do business with any company that was run inefficiently we would not do business with a lot of places. I'm not sure how the efficiency of the business is entirely coupled to whether or not the product is usable and meets user needs in ways that other competing products cannot.
- danso 8y ago
  The majority of that funding seems to come from royalties ($504M of $520M) [0]. What would be the leaner way of collecting those royalties? [0] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2016/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2016/
reidrac 8y ago
Sorry if I misunderstood you, but you said you were using Brave. Perhaps you should review how you evaluate the products you use because your record isn't great. If you were wrong about Brave, your concerns about Firefox and Mozilla could be wrong as well.
jlg23 8y ago
"Face value"? Try "source value". What exactly is your problem with an opt-in service?
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ceejayoz 8y ago

What about the profile sync service can't be trusted? It's end-to-end encrypted. Mozilla doesn't have the keys.

aphextron 8y ago
It's just an attack vector I wish didn't exist at all. There's also metadata. Sure Mozilla doesn't have your passwords, but they know who you have passwords with. That creeps me out. There's nothing wrong with the all-purpose heavily featured approach of stuff like Chrome and Firefox, and I get that other people like Sync, I just really wish there was a totally stripped down basic internet browser I could trust.
- danso 8y ago
  Isn't profile sync opt-in?
- jlg23 8y ago
  >Sure Mozilla doesn't have your passwords, but they know who you have passwords with. Do they? I just skimmed the source and could not find anything that hints at that (and implementing it the way you said it is makes for much more complex code..)
- geofft 8y ago
  I just don't enable it. It's not on by default. For the average user—think your uncle who's about to ask you tech support questions this weekend—using Firefox Sync is way better for their privacy and security than reusing the same password everywhere. And for those of us who have and use password managers, Firefox Sync is not on by default—unlike Brave's attention-tracking or Chrome's Google logins.

asadotzler 8y ago

What about the whole profile sync service? It's designed to be privacy preserving by encrypting everything locally with a key only you have. https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/11/firefox-sync-privacy/ https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/11/firefox-sync-privacy/

gaadd33 8y ago

Is Mozilla run that lean even with >$500M in revenue?

notyourwork 8y ago
If we didn't do business with any company that was run inefficiently we would not do business with a lot of places. I'm not sure how the efficiency of the business is entirely coupled to whether or not the product is usable and meets user needs in ways that other competing products cannot.
danso 8y ago
The majority of that funding seems to come from royalties ($504M of $520M) [0]. What would be the leaner way of collecting those royalties? [0] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2016/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2016/

reidrac 8y ago

Sorry if I misunderstood you, but you said you were using Brave. Perhaps you should review how you evaluate the products you use because your record isn't great. If you were wrong about Brave, your concerns about Firefox and Mozilla could be wrong as well.

jlg23 8y ago

"Face value"? Try "source value". What exactly is your problem with an opt-in service?

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