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> More and more Chinese citizens are travelling abroad yet their beliefs in the "Chinese system" only gets re-affirmed To provide a more nuanced view, there ar

> More and more Chinese citizens are travelling abroad yet their beliefs in the "Chinese system" only gets re-affirmed To provide a more nuanced view, there are different reasons for this: - some see problems in other countries that China does not have - some faced racism or xenophobia. For the more privileged ones, it might be the first time in their lives to get discriminated against, and they respond by becoming extra nationalistic. - some simply don't see a way to participate in the western system, so they pragmatically buy into the Chinese system. Keep in mind that while it's hard today for a foreign company to operate in China, it's also not easy for a Chinese company to succeed in western markets, especially more competitive ones like US. - some are being nationalistic for publicity.

bilbo0s 8y ago
I don't have many Chinese friends who would speak in this frank a manner with me, but the two that I do have definitely think like this. They see problems and bigotry that they never had to deal with until they got here, and I think that is what created the knee-jerk reaction to believe they need the Chinese state. (The worst part is that one is Taiwanese! Not even Chinese. And she thinks of it as insurance. She feels like things for her in the West could turn sour in a hurry, so she needs an "out" so to speak.)
- sonnyblarney 8y ago
  There's a difference between seeing China as a 'natural homeland' and totally supporting the CCP and all it's inanity. I don't doubt for a second that people might be 'very proud' of their culture. For better or worse - that's normal. But to be proud of the bad stuff, even when they are literally living abroad for those reasons - now that is just weird.
- analyst74 8y ago
  I generally don't share those things with my American friends either, many probably don't understand, and for those who do, it just unnecessarily makes them feel guilty about things they have no control over. So applaud you to be interested in those nuances and being empathetic!
- ksec 8y ago
  What problems are those? Because seriously, not only Chinese or Taiwanese, even Canadian or European had to deal with problems in US that is US specific only, and not a thing they have to dealt with at home. Example, Health Coverage and Tax.
withhighprod 8y ago
one of the best comment on HN regarding Chinese in 2018

bilbo0s 8y ago

I don't have many Chinese friends who would speak in this frank a manner with me, but the two that I do have definitely think like this. They see problems and bigotry that they never had to deal with until they got here, and I think that is what created the knee-jerk reaction to believe they need the Chinese state. (The worst part is that one is Taiwanese! Not even Chinese. And she thinks of it as insurance. She feels like things for her in the West could turn sour in a hurry, so she needs an "out" so to speak.)

sonnyblarney 8y ago
There's a difference between seeing China as a 'natural homeland' and totally supporting the CCP and all it's inanity. I don't doubt for a second that people might be 'very proud' of their culture. For better or worse - that's normal. But to be proud of the bad stuff, even when they are literally living abroad for those reasons - now that is just weird.
analyst74 8y ago
I generally don't share those things with my American friends either, many probably don't understand, and for those who do, it just unnecessarily makes them feel guilty about things they have no control over. So applaud you to be interested in those nuances and being empathetic!
ksec 8y ago
What problems are those? Because seriously, not only Chinese or Taiwanese, even Canadian or European had to deal with problems in US that is US specific only, and not a thing they have to dealt with at home. Example, Health Coverage and Tax.

withhighprod 8y ago

one of the best comment on HN regarding Chinese in 2018