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I'm not at all denying that Cisco and others might be a gateway to five eyes. But there's also the fact that there is incredibly more oversight in 'five eyes' c
by sonnyblarney 8y ago
I'm not at all denying that Cisco and others might be a gateway to five eyes. But there's also the fact that there is incredibly more oversight in 'five eyes' countries, and of course they are 'my side'. I naturally care less about 'us' spying on 'them' than I do 'them' spying on 'me'.
- lostlogin 8y agoThere is more oversight in the five eyes countries, but that isn’t as reassuring as it sounds. Is anyone in those countries comfortable with what those organisation do and how they are controlled?
- sonnyblarney 8y agoThere is more oversight because a) 5 eyes are all democracies and b) there are elected bodies that have direct oversight of these activities. For example, in the US, there are both House and Senate committees which have oversight into various bodies and operations which are highly secretive. Example [1] Finally, c) there is an open and free press, and quite a number of whistle blowers and informants to the press, which have legal protection. That's very different from an authoritarian entity that answers to no-one, and does what they please. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Select_Committee_on_Intelligence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Select_Co...
- 794CD01 8y agoAs natural as it might be, it's wrong. If you are, for example, a US resident, the US government is in a great position to use any information they have about you. The Chinese government, not so much, especially if you have no desire or plans to travel to China.
- gruez 8y agowhat if you have skeletons in your closet (infidelity, drug use, fetishes, etc.), and China used them as leverage to get you to do stuff against your employer?