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What game? I had a go of a tech demo at some point. It was awful. Look at the thread, people in there believed SQ42 was almost finished. That was 2 years ago!

What game? I had a go of a tech demo at some point. It was awful. Look at the thread, people in there believed SQ42 was almost finished. That was 2 years ago! CIG were giving the impression that they'd almost done the single player campaign, now they're talking about 2020. A possible scenario at this point is that they burn through all the cash and the game is put out either unfinished or never sees light of day. Maybe a great game will come out of this, but it's perfectly reasonable to believe that's doubtful.

fapjacks 8y ago
Oh, so your problem with the game is after all that it's not going according to your worldview. I don't suppose it would help for me to suggest one more time that CIG has been clear about "done when it's done" since the beginning? It's almost like that last sentence is completely invisible to everyone complaining about the release date. If you don't like it, go ahead and stick to your loot boxes and microtransactions and "ship it" and season pass titles you're used to. And let people enjoy things.
- danso 8y ago
  CIG repeatedly promised, on their sites and promo videos, that SQ42 would be launching in 2016. You can argue that what they’re doing with SC is unprecedented, and SQ42 is dependent on them. But it wasn’t CIG themselves that were adamant on the 2016 release date.
  - fapjacks 8y ago
    Well, that's completely false. Neither Chris Roberts nor CIG have ever "promised" a release date. Even in the Kickstarter it was an estimate. They have been totally transparent about that from the start. Stop spreading lies.
    - sroya 8y ago
      http://media.kotaku.foxtrot.future.net.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2016/10/squadron-42-2016-release-date.png http://media.kotaku.foxtrot.future.net.uk/wp-content/uploads...
    - wlesieutre 8y ago
      It was “2016 - Answer the Call”, then it changed to 2017, then it dropped the date entirely. https://goo.gl/images/cib7Dn https://goo.gl/images/cib7Dn I’m as excited about it as the next guy but let’s not pretend it hasn’t been delayed repeatedly.
    - danso 8y ago
      Maybe you should pay attention to the campaign. A simple search on Google or r/starcitizen has all the evidence you need. In fact, SQ42 was promised as early as Fall 2015 (with SC having its commercial launch in 2016) in CIG's own slidedeck [0], but I remember the 2016 promise being memorable because they didn't change it even into 2017. https://www.gamespot.com/articles/star-citizen-release-schedule-dates-fps-mode-and-s/1100-6424807/ https://www.gamespot.com/articles/star-citizen-release-sched...
      - mynameisvlad 8y ago
        No, you don't understand. They didn't explicitly use the word "promise" so it can't be a promise. At least, that's how parent commenter thinks the world works.
    - atombender 8y ago
      You keep attacking the use of the "promise". I don't know if English is your first language, but people making this claim in the thread aren't using the word in the sense of a pinky promise. They don't need to say "we promise to ship this, for real!" If a game developer says a game will launch in 2016 and provides publicity material such as posters implying this fact, then they are "promising". If I tell you that I will follow up on an email you sent me, I've made you a promise; if you set an expectation, you've made a promise to someone. For the record, I've only heard of Star Citizen and never funded it, played it or engaged with the community.
      - fapjacks 8y ago
        They've always been clear that the date may move. I realize this sentence is totally invisible, though. And classy move there, with the comment about language.
    - dang 8y ago
      You've crossed into incivility in this thread. Please stop. Believe me I know what it's like when it feels like you're right and everyone else is wrong and ganging up on you, but the only thing that works in this situation is to remembe that it's just the internet and let it go. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - fapjacks 8y ago
        You are reading hostility which does not exist. I understand as mod you read hostile posts all day, but I will ask you (as I have in the past) to please remove any sense of hostility you read in my posts, because that's not what went into them.
- mattmanser 8y ago
  I'm not engaging with you any further, as I said I have no skin in the game, but you're clearly suffering from a sunk-cost fallacy. It's hard to talk sense to a fanatic who's too invested to realize they should stop spending already. Personally I love Indies, and can enjoy unpolished games (check out Kenshi, game of the year for me!). But watching Star citizen unfold is like watching an extremely slow motion car wreck. I almost invested in the KS, I'm really glad I didn't.
  - zamalek 8y ago
    The problem is that you're in another echo chamber. If you took a step back and had a look at what CIG have done as of December 2019, instead of the old build that the Derek Smart echo chamber is harping on about, you'd see that there is actually a game there. While there is still room for concern, "no game at all" is patently false and has been for more than a year. > But watching Star citizen unfold But you clearly haven't been watching it.
ocdtrekkie 8y ago
I would be shocked if it "never sees the light of day" at this point, just due to the amount of invested resources. Even if CIG had lost the Crytek lawsuit and had to pay up a mass sum or go under, or if they run out of money in the future, someone would probably pick it up for cheap (as Microsoft once did with a previous Chris Roberts title) and wrap it up into a nice bow.
iamtom 8y ago
Their recently released financial accounting is all the evidence needed to show that not only was Derek Smart right when he claimed in July 2015 that the game could never be made for $150M (they had raised $85M at the time), but also that it could never been made as has been pitched by Chris Roberts. https://cloudimperiumgames.com/blog/corporate/cfo-comment-2012-2017-financials https://cloudimperiumgames.com/blog/corporate/cfo-comment-20... Right now Star Citizen is barely a proof-of-concept tech demo, while Squadron 42 which was coming in 2014, is still almost 2 years away from BETA. After blowing through $200 million of backer money, in May 2015 they sold 10% of the company to an off-shore investor for $46M to continue funding development. And Derek Smart was the first to leak that info as well, and almost a full week before CIG made it public that this was in the works since May 2018 (when Derek Smart first leaked that something was in the works). http://dereksmart.com/forums/reply/6792/ http://dereksmart.com/forums/reply/6792/

fapjacks 8y ago

Oh, so your problem with the game is after all that it's not going according to your worldview. I don't suppose it would help for me to suggest one more time that CIG has been clear about "done when it's done" since the beginning? It's almost like that last sentence is completely invisible to everyone complaining about the release date. If you don't like it, go ahead and stick to your loot boxes and microtransactions and "ship it" and season pass titles you're used to. And let people enjoy things.

danso 8y ago
CIG repeatedly promised, on their sites and promo videos, that SQ42 would be launching in 2016. You can argue that what they’re doing with SC is unprecedented, and SQ42 is dependent on them. But it wasn’t CIG themselves that were adamant on the 2016 release date.
- fapjacks 8y ago
  Well, that's completely false. Neither Chris Roberts nor CIG have ever "promised" a release date. Even in the Kickstarter it was an estimate. They have been totally transparent about that from the start. Stop spreading lies.
  - sroya 8y ago
    http://media.kotaku.foxtrot.future.net.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2016/10/squadron-42-2016-release-date.png http://media.kotaku.foxtrot.future.net.uk/wp-content/uploads...
  - wlesieutre 8y ago
    It was “2016 - Answer the Call”, then it changed to 2017, then it dropped the date entirely. https://goo.gl/images/cib7Dn https://goo.gl/images/cib7Dn I’m as excited about it as the next guy but let’s not pretend it hasn’t been delayed repeatedly.
  - danso 8y ago
    Maybe you should pay attention to the campaign. A simple search on Google or r/starcitizen has all the evidence you need. In fact, SQ42 was promised as early as Fall 2015 (with SC having its commercial launch in 2016) in CIG's own slidedeck [0], but I remember the 2016 promise being memorable because they didn't change it even into 2017. https://www.gamespot.com/articles/star-citizen-release-schedule-dates-fps-mode-and-s/1100-6424807/ https://www.gamespot.com/articles/star-citizen-release-sched...
    - mynameisvlad 8y ago
      No, you don't understand. They didn't explicitly use the word "promise" so it can't be a promise. At least, that's how parent commenter thinks the world works.
  - atombender 8y ago
    You keep attacking the use of the "promise". I don't know if English is your first language, but people making this claim in the thread aren't using the word in the sense of a pinky promise. They don't need to say "we promise to ship this, for real!" If a game developer says a game will launch in 2016 and provides publicity material such as posters implying this fact, then they are "promising". If I tell you that I will follow up on an email you sent me, I've made you a promise; if you set an expectation, you've made a promise to someone. For the record, I've only heard of Star Citizen and never funded it, played it or engaged with the community.
    - fapjacks 8y ago
      They've always been clear that the date may move. I realize this sentence is totally invisible, though. And classy move there, with the comment about language.
  - dang 8y ago
    You've crossed into incivility in this thread. Please stop. Believe me I know what it's like when it feels like you're right and everyone else is wrong and ganging up on you, but the only thing that works in this situation is to remembe that it's just the internet and let it go. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - fapjacks 8y ago
      You are reading hostility which does not exist. I understand as mod you read hostile posts all day, but I will ask you (as I have in the past) to please remove any sense of hostility you read in my posts, because that's not what went into them.
mattmanser 8y ago
I'm not engaging with you any further, as I said I have no skin in the game, but you're clearly suffering from a sunk-cost fallacy. It's hard to talk sense to a fanatic who's too invested to realize they should stop spending already. Personally I love Indies, and can enjoy unpolished games (check out Kenshi, game of the year for me!). But watching Star citizen unfold is like watching an extremely slow motion car wreck. I almost invested in the KS, I'm really glad I didn't.
- zamalek 8y ago
  The problem is that you're in another echo chamber. If you took a step back and had a look at what CIG have done as of December 2019, instead of the old build that the Derek Smart echo chamber is harping on about, you'd see that there is actually a game there. While there is still room for concern, "no game at all" is patently false and has been for more than a year. > But watching Star citizen unfold But you clearly haven't been watching it.

ocdtrekkie 8y ago

I would be shocked if it "never sees the light of day" at this point, just due to the amount of invested resources. Even if CIG had lost the Crytek lawsuit and had to pay up a mass sum or go under, or if they run out of money in the future, someone would probably pick it up for cheap (as Microsoft once did with a previous Chris Roberts title) and wrap it up into a nice bow.

iamtom 8y ago

Their recently released financial accounting is all the evidence needed to show that not only was Derek Smart right when he claimed in July 2015 that the game could never be made for $150M (they had raised $85M at the time), but also that it could never been made as has been pitched by Chris Roberts. https://cloudimperiumgames.com/blog/corporate/cfo-comment-2012-2017-financials https://cloudimperiumgames.com/blog/corporate/cfo-comment-20... Right now Star Citizen is barely a proof-of-concept tech demo, while Squadron 42 which was coming in 2014, is still almost 2 years away from BETA. After blowing through $200 million of backer money, in May 2015 they sold 10% of the company to an off-shore investor for $46M to continue funding development. And Derek Smart was the first to leak that info as well, and almost a full week before CIG made it public that this was in the works since May 2018 (when Derek Smart first leaked that something was in the works). http://dereksmart.com/forums/reply/6792/ http://dereksmart.com/forums/reply/6792/