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He should probably continue to post the video of the "people helping him put packages on their porches" as well as their friends who pretended to "steal" the

He should probably continue to post the video of the "people helping him put packages on their porches" as well as their friends who pretended to "steal" the package. Because the original goal was to uncover dishonest people, and so now you've actually found even more dishonest people, who were taped on video

gwbas1c 8y ago
> Because the original goal was to uncover dishonest people, and so now you've actually found even more dishonest people, who were taped on video There are a lot of people who don't understand the harm in a little white lie; or who just misunderstand what truth means. Just think of any misleading ad or marketing material that you've seen. To be quite frank, when I watched the video, I never understood why one guy had a crucifix hanging from his rearview mirror, and why the faces were obscured.
- libraryatnight 8y ago
  Wait, why would the crucifix throw you? Lots of people who do immoral things are religious.
  - bdamm 8y ago
    Probably a larger group that do immoral things, such as pretending to be religious.
    - cf498 8y ago
      No true Scotsman?
      - aaaaaaass 8y ago
        no that doesn't make any sense here.
- kbenson 8y ago
  > There are a lot of people who don't understand the harm in a little white lie Except the harm here is quite obvious - he offered money for the recovery, so they staged recoveries. If they did it because they thought it would help him they should have refused reimbursement. Instead, not only did they damage his reputation, they defrauded him out of money in doing so. > To be quite frank, when I watched the video, I never understood why one guy had a crucifix hanging from his rearview mirror, I'm not sure what this means. Are you implying that you think someone with a crucifix hanging from their mirror wouldn't commit this crime? > and why the faces were obscured. Because you're better safe than sorry. For example, if the friends of the acquaintance weren't told what was really going on, it could have been devastating to their reputation if their face was released nationally and linked to a crime. That can spur lawsuits. Meritorious or not, they cost to defend against.
  - DonHopkins 8y ago
    I don't assume they wouldn't commit a crime. I just assume they're going to hell. ;)
- saagarjha 8y ago
  > why the faces were obscured So the people aren’t doxxed and witch-hunted?
AckSyn 8y ago
All he had to do was add text to those parts saying "event recreation" or whatever it is they'd do on TV ages back.
sandworm101 8y ago
The original goal wasnt "dishonest people" but thieves. It is a slight but important difference. We all confront dishonest people daily without issue. Rarely do we confront thieves, criminals. By using actors this video could encourage people do do something dangerous on a false belief as to how the thieves would react. So i am glad he removed the clips. I remain worried that such games may one day get someone hurt. Not every thief will laugh it off. And they know where you live. Leave sting operations to the professionals. Dont make things personal. Dont escalate petty theft into a potentially violent confrontation by continuing things beyond your property.
- nickpsecurity 8y ago
  "I remain worried that such games may one day get someone hurt. Not every thief will laugh it off." I thought about that given all the violent crime in and around Memphis TN. The thugs out here are very unforgiving about stuff like this. Anyone trying to pull shit on them or any other area at that level should expect revenge that's worse than what they did in the first place. I strongly advise against doing this in any area that's high in violent crime, esp gangs or police forces with gang members. That said, the evidence I've seen shows most violent crime happens in and around specific areas. Outside them, an action might not net a major, negative reaction. So, if productizing this, a modification that might help is making sure the thing doesn't fully go off if in a high crime or nearby area based on whatever data is available. It just records data for the police in those areas. In other cases, let it do its thing. Then, you have to worry about booby trap laws and damage to innocent folks (esp kids or anyone allergic to material). Assess the local, law scene to determine if it's still a go before doing that. I'm sure many jurisdictions would get a kick out of this entertaining themselves and the courtroom. Just gotta be careful about being in the right one.
  - sandworm101 8y ago
    Which is why you should contain things to your own property. Set off an alarm as soon as the package moves. Sending a secret device/camera out to, potentially, the crooks home invites danger. At a very base legal level, such actions may require a PI license.

gwbas1c 8y ago

> Because the original goal was to uncover dishonest people, and so now you've actually found even more dishonest people, who were taped on video There are a lot of people who don't understand the harm in a little white lie; or who just misunderstand what truth means. Just think of any misleading ad or marketing material that you've seen. To be quite frank, when I watched the video, I never understood why one guy had a crucifix hanging from his rearview mirror, and why the faces were obscured.

libraryatnight 8y ago
Wait, why would the crucifix throw you? Lots of people who do immoral things are religious.
- bdamm 8y ago
  Probably a larger group that do immoral things, such as pretending to be religious.
  - cf498 8y ago
    No true Scotsman?
    - aaaaaaass 8y ago
      no that doesn't make any sense here.
kbenson 8y ago
> There are a lot of people who don't understand the harm in a little white lie Except the harm here is quite obvious - he offered money for the recovery, so they staged recoveries. If they did it because they thought it would help him they should have refused reimbursement. Instead, not only did they damage his reputation, they defrauded him out of money in doing so. > To be quite frank, when I watched the video, I never understood why one guy had a crucifix hanging from his rearview mirror, I'm not sure what this means. Are you implying that you think someone with a crucifix hanging from their mirror wouldn't commit this crime? > and why the faces were obscured. Because you're better safe than sorry. For example, if the friends of the acquaintance weren't told what was really going on, it could have been devastating to their reputation if their face was released nationally and linked to a crime. That can spur lawsuits. Meritorious or not, they cost to defend against.
- DonHopkins 8y ago
  I don't assume they wouldn't commit a crime. I just assume they're going to hell. ;)
saagarjha 8y ago
> why the faces were obscured So the people aren’t doxxed and witch-hunted?

AckSyn 8y ago

All he had to do was add text to those parts saying "event recreation" or whatever it is they'd do on TV ages back.

sandworm101 8y ago

The original goal wasnt "dishonest people" but thieves. It is a slight but important difference. We all confront dishonest people daily without issue. Rarely do we confront thieves, criminals. By using actors this video could encourage people do do something dangerous on a false belief as to how the thieves would react. So i am glad he removed the clips. I remain worried that such games may one day get someone hurt. Not every thief will laugh it off. And they know where you live. Leave sting operations to the professionals. Dont make things personal. Dont escalate petty theft into a potentially violent confrontation by continuing things beyond your property.

nickpsecurity 8y ago
"I remain worried that such games may one day get someone hurt. Not every thief will laugh it off." I thought about that given all the violent crime in and around Memphis TN. The thugs out here are very unforgiving about stuff like this. Anyone trying to pull shit on them or any other area at that level should expect revenge that's worse than what they did in the first place. I strongly advise against doing this in any area that's high in violent crime, esp gangs or police forces with gang members. That said, the evidence I've seen shows most violent crime happens in and around specific areas. Outside them, an action might not net a major, negative reaction. So, if productizing this, a modification that might help is making sure the thing doesn't fully go off if in a high crime or nearby area based on whatever data is available. It just records data for the police in those areas. In other cases, let it do its thing. Then, you have to worry about booby trap laws and damage to innocent folks (esp kids or anyone allergic to material). Assess the local, law scene to determine if it's still a go before doing that. I'm sure many jurisdictions would get a kick out of this entertaining themselves and the courtroom. Just gotta be careful about being in the right one.
- sandworm101 8y ago
  Which is why you should contain things to your own property. Set off an alarm as soon as the package moves. Sending a secret device/camera out to, potentially, the crooks home invites danger. At a very base legal level, such actions may require a PI license.