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In less than decade both USA and EU will take lessons from these developing experiments (India, China, Russia, Australia) and will introduce the same locally. A

In less than decade both USA and EU will take lessons from these developing experiments (India, China, Russia, Australia) and will introduce the same locally. At first societies will be educated to stigmatise any resistance and ease the law change. Hiding data from govt will be like tax evasion or act of terrorism.

escherplex 8y ago
educated ...reminiscent of contemporary video clip interviews with individuals saying I don't mind if the government reads my correspondence. I have nothing to hide. But for an historic contrarian view: Berlin 1931 (Weimar Republic): I don't mind if the government reads my letters. I've got nothing to hide. Berlin 1936 (national socialism): You writings make you an enemy of the state!
- PavlovsCat 8y ago
  "Nothing to hide", with the centers of power doing what they're doing, pretty much means "I'm obedient, I'm complicit, I swear allegiance.... you go on right ahead and rob that granny blind, take all the organs you want from that child... I'll be over here pretending to find the marble pattern on the wall terribly interesting". Ironically, they are hiding that from themselves.
  - escherplex 8y ago
    Exactly. And isn't it curious how many down votes the initial bland observation elicited? Strange.
pm90 8y ago
Nah. There has been pretty strong backlash against FB. GDPR is (as imperfect as it is) a thing. I don't see the West going down that road, disregarding catastrophic failure modes.
- techie128 8y ago
  What do you call NSA surveillance? Pretty much all your life is online and NSA can get its hands on it in transit.
- imhoguy 8y ago
  Government services are mostly exempted from GDPR restrictions. Google: GDPR Article 23.
- david_ar 8y ago
  Uh, Australia is the West.
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creative-coder 8y ago
Don't put India in the same basket as China We have fundamental enforceable human rights, democratic government, independent judiciary, (way too much)state-independent media, functional Intellectual Property Rights(IPR) regime while China lacks all of these. Also, India has not even begun to setup the kind of real-time mass surveillance, through millions of cameras, already in place (to be fair, US is comparable here) or the upcoming dystopian big data-driven, social network-like integrated citizen evaluation program, Social Credit System(SCS) in China. So, its wildly inappropriate to mention India and China in the same vein here
- paramahans 8y ago
  "We have fundamental enforceable human rights, democratic government, independent judiciary, (way too much)state-independent media, functional Intellectual Property Rights(IPR) regime while China lacks all of these." I don't agree with you here. Maybe you live in a different India. Democratic government -Yes Independent Judiciary - Nope. Look up about the recent Rafael Fiasco. Also, a judge was killed and replaced by a Yes man to protect a mafia politician. Search Justice Loya for more details state-independent media - To some extent. But there are many ruling party pet new channels Functional Intellectual Property Right ??? Really ?
- rootkea 8y ago
  > We have fundamental enforceable human rights, Oh yes, you mean the one where a journalist is put under draconian NSA for criticizing the government.[0] > democratic government Oh right. The one where hate-mongering communal bigot is made the Chief Minister.[1] Congratulations India! > independent judiciary Absolutely. I guess that' why the 4 senior-most judges of the Supreme Court of India came out and said that the democracy was at stake.[2] Isn't it? > the upcoming dystopian big data-driven, social network-like integrated citizen evaluation program By any chance, do you mean like the one used by 40 departments of Indian government to spy on it's citizen?[3] > So, its wildly inappropriate to mention India and China in the same vein here Oh it's absolutely appropriate to mention India and China in the same vein here. [0] https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/manipur-journalist-kishorechandra-wangkhemcha-jailed-for-12-months-under-nsa-for-criticising-bjp-government/article25782130.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/manipur-journalist-ki... [1] https://www.thequint.com/news/india/new-up-cm-yogi-adityanath-most-controversial-quotes-hate-speech-or-free-speech https://www.thequint.com/news/india/new-up-cm-yogi-adityanat... [2] https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/supreme-court-crisis-all-not-okay-democracy-at-stake-say-four-seniormost-judges/article10028921.ece https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/supreme-court-cris... [3] https://www.huffingtonpost.in/2018/09/07/the-indian-government-has-been-spying-on-your-social-media-in-secret_a_23519703/ https://www.huffingtonpost.in/2018/09/07/the-indian-governme...

escherplex 8y ago

educated ...reminiscent of contemporary video clip interviews with individuals saying I don't mind if the government reads my correspondence. I have nothing to hide. But for an historic contrarian view: Berlin 1931 (Weimar Republic): I don't mind if the government reads my letters. I've got nothing to hide. Berlin 1936 (national socialism): You writings make you an enemy of the state!

PavlovsCat 8y ago
"Nothing to hide", with the centers of power doing what they're doing, pretty much means "I'm obedient, I'm complicit, I swear allegiance.... you go on right ahead and rob that granny blind, take all the organs you want from that child... I'll be over here pretending to find the marble pattern on the wall terribly interesting". Ironically, they are hiding that from themselves.
- escherplex 8y ago
  Exactly. And isn't it curious how many down votes the initial bland observation elicited? Strange.

pm90 8y ago

Nah. There has been pretty strong backlash against FB. GDPR is (as imperfect as it is) a thing. I don't see the West going down that road, disregarding catastrophic failure modes.

techie128 8y ago
What do you call NSA surveillance? Pretty much all your life is online and NSA can get its hands on it in transit.
imhoguy 8y ago
Government services are mostly exempted from GDPR restrictions. Google: GDPR Article 23.
david_ar 8y ago
Uh, Australia is the West.

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creative-coder 8y ago

Don't put India in the same basket as China We have fundamental enforceable human rights, democratic government, independent judiciary, (way too much)state-independent media, functional Intellectual Property Rights(IPR) regime while China lacks all of these. Also, India has not even begun to setup the kind of real-time mass surveillance, through millions of cameras, already in place (to be fair, US is comparable here) or the upcoming dystopian big data-driven, social network-like integrated citizen evaluation program, Social Credit System(SCS) in China. So, its wildly inappropriate to mention India and China in the same vein here

paramahans 8y ago
"We have fundamental enforceable human rights, democratic government, independent judiciary, (way too much)state-independent media, functional Intellectual Property Rights(IPR) regime while China lacks all of these." I don't agree with you here. Maybe you live in a different India. Democratic government -Yes Independent Judiciary - Nope. Look up about the recent Rafael Fiasco. Also, a judge was killed and replaced by a Yes man to protect a mafia politician. Search Justice Loya for more details state-independent media - To some extent. But there are many ruling party pet new channels Functional Intellectual Property Right ??? Really ?
rootkea 8y ago
> We have fundamental enforceable human rights, Oh yes, you mean the one where a journalist is put under draconian NSA for criticizing the government.[0] > democratic government Oh right. The one where hate-mongering communal bigot is made the Chief Minister.[1] Congratulations India! > independent judiciary Absolutely. I guess that' why the 4 senior-most judges of the Supreme Court of India came out and said that the democracy was at stake.[2] Isn't it? > the upcoming dystopian big data-driven, social network-like integrated citizen evaluation program By any chance, do you mean like the one used by 40 departments of Indian government to spy on it's citizen?[3] > So, its wildly inappropriate to mention India and China in the same vein here Oh it's absolutely appropriate to mention India and China in the same vein here. [0] https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/manipur-journalist-kishorechandra-wangkhemcha-jailed-for-12-months-under-nsa-for-criticising-bjp-government/article25782130.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/manipur-journalist-ki... [1] https://www.thequint.com/news/india/new-up-cm-yogi-adityanath-most-controversial-quotes-hate-speech-or-free-speech https://www.thequint.com/news/india/new-up-cm-yogi-adityanat... [2] https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/supreme-court-crisis-all-not-okay-democracy-at-stake-say-four-seniormost-judges/article10028921.ece https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/supreme-court-cris... [3] https://www.huffingtonpost.in/2018/09/07/the-indian-government-has-been-spying-on-your-social-media-in-secret_a_23519703/ https://www.huffingtonpost.in/2018/09/07/the-indian-governme...