> Also if it's not built in JS, it's not cool these days To me, it feels like if you want to be cool these days, you look down on JS/JS devs. JS has plenty of

> Also if it's not built in JS, it's not cool these days To me, it feels like if you want to be cool these days, you look down on JS/JS devs. JS has plenty of issues, but it's undeniably successful - isn't it more beneficial to either improve the problems or figure out why it continues to be successful despite them and adapt that in your language of choice rather than dismiss the success as being "cool"? I've developed in a few languages, with JS being the latest, and while I do in fact enjoy it (mostly), it's not because I'm cool. I'm almost never cool, and being a JS dev involves people telling me that remains the case in tech forums regularly. </rant> All of my bitterness aside, your point about GUI development is completely correct. I've been happy to see CSS slowly taking lessons from desktop GUI layout and hope for more in the future.