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>At best, these companies are making money selling snake oil to dying people. At worst, they're introducing dangerous toxic chemicals to immunocompromised indiv

>At best, these companies are making money selling snake oil to dying people. At worst, they're introducing dangerous toxic chemicals to immunocompromised individuals and actively harming them. This statement would make a lot more sense if our government did not currently have ignorant and draconian regulations and restrictions around this substance. The snake oil salesman knows it does nothing and sells it anyway. Snake oil is not banned from being studied. CBD absolutely helps with seizures and anxiety. I don't need some retroactive scientific study to show this because the evidence is already there, vouched for by those who use it. There is no placebo effect for seizures. You have an opinion that someone with a PHD needs to sign off on everything you put in your body, that's fine. But that does not equate things that are untested to fucking snake oil, my guy.

nyolfen 8y ago
> CBD absolutely helps with seizures and anxiety. I don't need some retroactive scientific study to show this because the evidence is already there, vouched for by those who use it. There is no placebo effect for seizures. there is a huge issue with quality control for cbd -- it varies wildly between products and is totally impossible to control for. i'm sure it can be medically useful but you must be able to buy a legitimate product first.
- jklinger410 8y ago
  Ok, cool. I totally agree. I'm just not sure how "it's good that CBD is regulated" is similar to "every company that makes CBD is selling snake oil or putting people's lives in danger."
ceejayoz 8y ago
See, this is where "snake oil" claims give us problems - in trying to knock down criticisms of the industry, you're making a false claim. > There is no placebo effect for seizures. "A positive response to placebo administration, manifesting as a decrease in seizure frequency, can be observed in epileptic dogs." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19912522 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19912522 "For unknown reasons, placebos reduce seizures in clinical trials in many patients... Strangely, a meta-analysis found placebo effects in epilepsy trials increased steadily from 1989 to 2010, with decreasing apparent drug treatment effects." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4546516/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4546516/
- jklinger410 8y ago
  >See, this is where "snake oil" claims give us problems I agree. The claim I'm making about placebo and seizures is that a seizure is dangerous, and anything that reduces the seizure is a medication. Sugar pill or no. If the claim is that CBD compounds are more dangerous than seizures, or that what is in CBD compounds is dangerous at all (fear of the unknown, if you will) then the burden of proof should be on the poster to show examples of dangerous chemicals in CBD tinctures. My proof, empirical or no, is that CBD reduces anxiety and seizures. I have not seen evidence to the contrary.
  - ceejayoz 8y ago
    Sorry, but that's not what you claimed. > I don't need some retroactive scientific study to show this because the evidence is already there, vouched for by those who use it. There is no placebo effect for seizures.

nyolfen 8y ago

> CBD absolutely helps with seizures and anxiety. I don't need some retroactive scientific study to show this because the evidence is already there, vouched for by those who use it. There is no placebo effect for seizures. there is a huge issue with quality control for cbd -- it varies wildly between products and is totally impossible to control for. i'm sure it can be medically useful but you must be able to buy a legitimate product first.

jklinger410 8y ago
Ok, cool. I totally agree. I'm just not sure how "it's good that CBD is regulated" is similar to "every company that makes CBD is selling snake oil or putting people's lives in danger."

ceejayoz 8y ago

See, this is where "snake oil" claims give us problems - in trying to knock down criticisms of the industry, you're making a false claim. > There is no placebo effect for seizures. "A positive response to placebo administration, manifesting as a decrease in seizure frequency, can be observed in epileptic dogs." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19912522 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19912522 "For unknown reasons, placebos reduce seizures in clinical trials in many patients... Strangely, a meta-analysis found placebo effects in epilepsy trials increased steadily from 1989 to 2010, with decreasing apparent drug treatment effects." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4546516/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4546516/

jklinger410 8y ago
>See, this is where "snake oil" claims give us problems I agree. The claim I'm making about placebo and seizures is that a seizure is dangerous, and anything that reduces the seizure is a medication. Sugar pill or no. If the claim is that CBD compounds are more dangerous than seizures, or that what is in CBD compounds is dangerous at all (fear of the unknown, if you will) then the burden of proof should be on the poster to show examples of dangerous chemicals in CBD tinctures. My proof, empirical or no, is that CBD reduces anxiety and seizures. I have not seen evidence to the contrary.
- ceejayoz 8y ago
  Sorry, but that's not what you claimed. > I don't need some retroactive scientific study to show this because the evidence is already there, vouched for by those who use it. There is no placebo effect for seizures.