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Holy Crap why oh why couldn't someone have posted this two weeks ago?! I just upgraded an internal application from Clojure 1.1.0 to Clojure 1.2.0 and had to up

by astine 16y ago

Holy Crap why oh why couldn't someone have posted this two weeks ago?! I just upgraded an internal application from Clojure 1.1.0 to Clojure 1.2.0 and had to upgrade my entire web-stack as a result! I was more than a little annoyed to find out that not only had Compojure outsourced nearly all of it's earlier functionality to other libraries, but that I could no longer just download the jars. I'm sure Leiningen solves all of your dependency needs when you are on Linux or a Mac, but I cannot get it to work on Windows and Clojure package maintainers seem to have forgotten that there are people who might want (or need) to install libraries manually without things like Leiningen or Maven. </rant> I understand that Clojure is still young and that it's ecosystem is still evolving at a fast pace, and I understand why the changes being made are largely improvements, but for my particular circumstances it's a large headache. EDIT: Here's a hint for people want to get a Clojure environment going but can't use one of the package managers for some reason or other: You can visit clojars.org and download all of the jars that you need. This was, you don't need a build system on you development machine. You still have to figure out what the dependencies are manually, but you aren't stuck if you can't get Leiningen or Maven working.

ericlavigne 16y ago
Leiningen works well on Windows. Look for discussion of lein.bat in Leiningen's README.
- astine 16y ago
  I spent several days attempting to get this working some time ago. lein.bat did not work for me. I don't remember what didn't work and I don't know if the situation has changed, but I don't want to open that can of worms again in the near future.
  - technomancy 16y ago
    Counter-rant: what is it about Windows users that make them so much more predisposed to complain on the Internet than file bug reports?
    - jmatt 16y ago
      This is absolutely true. I think it's a cultural difference within the Windows development community. I've made maybe two bug reports to Microsoft related to .NET or SQLServer in the past 8 years. Everything else was either already reported and being fixed in the next 2-3 years or was reported and written off as "you are on your own - we're not fixing it". I've had similar experiences with big proprietary Windows frameworks like DevExpress. Unfortunately at this point I don't think it's changing because it's what everyone expects. After finding the nth response like this it becomes apparent that it's easier to just find a work around and complain rather than continue to bash your head into the wall. Hopefully Windows users will learn to contribute and report bugs in community driven development someday...
    - barrydahlberg 16y ago
      Because have you ever tried to file a bug report with MS? That's not really fair, there are some great teams in MS. My impression is that the difficulty of communicating with anyone useful correlates pretty well with how enterprisey the product is.
    - astine 16y ago
      I'm a Linux user. This is just my work machine.
  - jmatt 16y ago
    I have everything running on windows in msys/bash/emacs with lein and cmd.exe with lein.bat. But I also have all the appropriate GNU tools installed and working enough to build with gcc/g++. So my install is relatively complete and probably not typical considering the time it took to get to this point. I ran into problems where lein.bat didn't work in powershell or msys. This is commonly the case so I didn't think it warranted any bug reports. It did take some additional effort but it was similar to the effort required to get just about anything working in clojure. For the record my take is this is a Microsoft problem. They need a packaging system that works and is built with all the crazy native windows development quirks in mind. See http://coapp.org/ http://coapp.org/
moomin 16y ago
I know this sounds completely crazy, but you could always run a Linux VM on your windows machine. I find this more convenient than trying to figure out how to make things work on Windows some days. Alternatively, if you're having trouble with the lein.bat, you could try lein.ps1. (https://gist.github.com/395038 https://gist.github.com/395038) I believe that lein.sh is meant to work pretty well on cygwin now, though.
- pchristensen 16y ago
  Seconded. I have separate Ubuntu VMs for each stack I'm working with. I just spin up the ones I'm working on at the moment and SSH into them.
- preek 16y ago
  At work, I'm even doing it the other way around: Windows runs as a guest in Linux. Nothing get's done in Windows unless it's more work to do it in Linux. Interestingly, for me that's only two things: VPNs and Citrix Metaframe to connect to clients. That's it. I can't stress how much more productive you'll be. And we're a shop selling Windows software to Banks and bigger corporations.

by astine 16y ago

ericlavigne 16y ago

Leiningen works well on Windows. Look for discussion of lein.bat in Leiningen's README.

astine 16y ago
I spent several days attempting to get this working some time ago. lein.bat did not work for me. I don't remember what didn't work and I don't know if the situation has changed, but I don't want to open that can of worms again in the near future.
- technomancy 16y ago
  Counter-rant: what is it about Windows users that make them so much more predisposed to complain on the Internet than file bug reports?
  - jmatt 16y ago
    This is absolutely true. I think it's a cultural difference within the Windows development community. I've made maybe two bug reports to Microsoft related to .NET or SQLServer in the past 8 years. Everything else was either already reported and being fixed in the next 2-3 years or was reported and written off as "you are on your own - we're not fixing it". I've had similar experiences with big proprietary Windows frameworks like DevExpress. Unfortunately at this point I don't think it's changing because it's what everyone expects. After finding the nth response like this it becomes apparent that it's easier to just find a work around and complain rather than continue to bash your head into the wall. Hopefully Windows users will learn to contribute and report bugs in community driven development someday...
  - barrydahlberg 16y ago
    Because have you ever tried to file a bug report with MS? That's not really fair, there are some great teams in MS. My impression is that the difficulty of communicating with anyone useful correlates pretty well with how enterprisey the product is.
  - astine 16y ago
    I'm a Linux user. This is just my work machine.
- jmatt 16y ago
  I have everything running on windows in msys/bash/emacs with lein and cmd.exe with lein.bat. But I also have all the appropriate GNU tools installed and working enough to build with gcc/g++. So my install is relatively complete and probably not typical considering the time it took to get to this point. I ran into problems where lein.bat didn't work in powershell or msys. This is commonly the case so I didn't think it warranted any bug reports. It did take some additional effort but it was similar to the effort required to get just about anything working in clojure. For the record my take is this is a Microsoft problem. They need a packaging system that works and is built with all the crazy native windows development quirks in mind. See http://coapp.org/ http://coapp.org/

moomin 16y ago

I know this sounds completely crazy, but you could always run a Linux VM on your windows machine. I find this more convenient than trying to figure out how to make things work on Windows some days. Alternatively, if you're having trouble with the lein.bat, you could try lein.ps1. (https://gist.github.com/395038 https://gist.github.com/395038) I believe that lein.sh is meant to work pretty well on cygwin now, though.

pchristensen 16y ago
Seconded. I have separate Ubuntu VMs for each stack I'm working with. I just spin up the ones I'm working on at the moment and SSH into them.
preek 16y ago
At work, I'm even doing it the other way around: Windows runs as a guest in Linux. Nothing get's done in Windows unless it's more work to do it in Linux. Interestingly, for me that's only two things: VPNs and Citrix Metaframe to connect to clients. That's it. I can't stress how much more productive you'll be. And we're a shop selling Windows software to Banks and bigger corporations.