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> except google pulled out and revamped their practices All while working behind the scenes trying to make a Chinese controlled Google (Dragonfly) for China, c
by cronix 8y ago
> except google pulled out and revamped their practices
All while working behind the scenes trying to make a Chinese controlled Google (Dragonfly) for China, complete with the censorship tools that any government that wants to control its people would love? Several large American companies seem to be chomping at the bit to do these types of projects and help repressive governments in order to profit, until the light of truth gets shown on them... Or were you referring to the time when they were already in China and pulled out over censorship issues?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/technology/google-employees-protest-search-censored-china.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/technology/google-employe...
I'm not even sure why China needs google, they've already stolen the source code years ago. Maybe they're after updates to the algorithms.
> In a blog post, Google chief legal officer David Drummond said hackers stole the source code that powers Google’s vaunted search engine and also targeted the e-mail accounts of activists critical of China’s human rights abuses.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/chinese-hackers-who-breached-google-gained-access-to-sensitive-data-us-officials-say/2013/05/20/51330428-be34-11e2-89c9-3be8095fe767_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/chine...
- opnitro 8y agoI mean, this isn't really a new phenomenon. See the United Fruit Company (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company#Guatemala https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company#Guatemala)
- bduerst 8y agoThe pilot project of one APAC director doesn't represent the entire company. Per an exgoogler on the project, Scott Beaumont tried to bypass the company's privacy and security review process, and the employees revolted. The focus on Google's dragonfly is strange because it never came to fruition, yet other major tech companies like Apple, Facebook, Microsoft, and Amazon are already operating in China and currently giving similar concessions to the Chinese government.
- ineedasername 8y agoFrom what I've read Pichai was a champion of the project though and gave the director the cover he needed to bypass standard procedure.
- jammygit 8y agoGoogle does a lot of things people don't like, but among huge companies they're still the 'good guys' in some ways. Its a big part of their brand. Isn't it nice that one of the world's biggest companies cares enough about losing that to change its plans?
- rhizome 8y agoGoogle does a lot of things people don't like, but among huge companies they're still the 'good guys' in some ways. Its a big part of their brand. Just because it's a part of their "brand" doesn't mean they "are" that thing. Caveat surfor.
- alasdair_ 8y ago>The pilot project of one APAC director doesn't represent the entire company. Sure, no action is ever representative of an entire company - there are always exceptions, but in this case, the CEO and other senior leadership were both behind the project AND behind hiding it from others - you can't paint it as a rogue operation from "one APAC director".
- bduerst 8y agoScott Beaumont went so far as to ban note taking during meetings because he was worried other employees might find them, learn about the project existing, and oppose it vehemently. Along with intentionally bypassing the required privacy and security reviews, it has all the characteristics of a rogue project. The only reason we know about it is because the employees working on it opposed it so much they leaked it.
- alasdair_ 8y ago