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China is a state sponsor of hacking and industrial espionage and they're also incarcerating quite a number of people based on their ethnicity, and harvesting th

China is a state sponsor of hacking and industrial espionage and they're also incarcerating quite a number of people based on their ethnicity, and harvesting their organs when they die in incarceration. Among other things. Call it what you want but, even with a lot of grey in between, these things are real and material. That said, I suggest the number of stories appearing in the press as of late might be part of a steady leak of information from US authorities as part of their strategy to put pressure on China during trade negotiations.

dunpeal 8y ago
Right, but if all I do is accept obvious reality as it is, I'll be just like everyone else! How will others know I'm intellectually superior to them, unless I express some edgy contrarian view?!
Scaevolus 8y ago
Organs aren't very useful when people die outside of a hospital. They're harvested from brain dead patients or those that have just undergone cardiac death. edit: I was responding to "harvesting their organs when they die in incarceration" -- this sounds like it's a natural death.
- drhodes 8y ago
  https://www.amnestyusa.org/execution-vans-organ-harvesting-business-as-usual-in-china/ https://www.amnestyusa.org/execution-vans-organ-harvesting-b... > For many years, it has been known that China uses execution vans, kind of like specially outfitted ambulances, to more efficiently carry out its exceedingly large number of executions. The method of killing in these vans is lethal injection, which has been slowly but surely replacing the firing squad as China’s preferred means of execution, and both lethal injection and the vans are believed to facilitate the widespread practice of harvesting organs of the executed prisoners, an unbelievably appalling practice.
  - blacksmith_tb 8y ago
    Not that I doubt it's happening, but I'd have thought that lethal injection would poison the recipients of the stolen organs?
    - kortilla 8y ago
      No, they don’t inject you with cyanide or something that kills the organs.

dunpeal 8y ago

Right, but if all I do is accept obvious reality as it is, I'll be just like everyone else! How will others know I'm intellectually superior to them, unless I express some edgy contrarian view?!

Scaevolus 8y ago

Organs aren't very useful when people die outside of a hospital. They're harvested from brain dead patients or those that have just undergone cardiac death. edit: I was responding to "harvesting their organs when they die in incarceration" -- this sounds like it's a natural death.

drhodes 8y ago
https://www.amnestyusa.org/execution-vans-organ-harvesting-business-as-usual-in-china/ https://www.amnestyusa.org/execution-vans-organ-harvesting-b... > For many years, it has been known that China uses execution vans, kind of like specially outfitted ambulances, to more efficiently carry out its exceedingly large number of executions. The method of killing in these vans is lethal injection, which has been slowly but surely replacing the firing squad as China’s preferred means of execution, and both lethal injection and the vans are believed to facilitate the widespread practice of harvesting organs of the executed prisoners, an unbelievably appalling practice.
- blacksmith_tb 8y ago
  Not that I doubt it's happening, but I'd have thought that lethal injection would poison the recipients of the stolen organs?
  - kortilla 8y ago
    No, they don’t inject you with cyanide or something that kills the organs.