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China is the new Boogeyman of 2010s.

AnimalMuppet 8y ago
Well... China actually exists, and is actually doing some of the things that people are scared of them for.
sonnyblarney 8y ago
China is a state sponsor of hacking and industrial espionage and they're also incarcerating quite a number of people based on their ethnicity, and harvesting their organs when they die in incarceration. Among other things. Call it what you want but, even with a lot of grey in between, these things are real and material. That said, I suggest the number of stories appearing in the press as of late might be part of a steady leak of information from US authorities as part of their strategy to put pressure on China during trade negotiations.
- dunpeal 8y ago
  Right, but if all I do is accept obvious reality as it is, I'll be just like everyone else! How will others know I'm intellectually superior to them, unless I express some edgy contrarian view?!
- Scaevolus 8y ago
  Organs aren't very useful when people die outside of a hospital. They're harvested from brain dead patients or those that have just undergone cardiac death. edit: I was responding to "harvesting their organs when they die in incarceration" -- this sounds like it's a natural death.
  - drhodes 8y ago
    https://www.amnestyusa.org/execution-vans-organ-harvesting-business-as-usual-in-china/ https://www.amnestyusa.org/execution-vans-organ-harvesting-b... > For many years, it has been known that China uses execution vans, kind of like specially outfitted ambulances, to more efficiently carry out its exceedingly large number of executions. The method of killing in these vans is lethal injection, which has been slowly but surely replacing the firing squad as China’s preferred means of execution, and both lethal injection and the vans are believed to facilitate the widespread practice of harvesting organs of the executed prisoners, an unbelievably appalling practice.
    - blacksmith_tb 8y ago
      Not that I doubt it's happening, but I'd have thought that lethal injection would poison the recipients of the stolen organs?
      - kortilla 8y ago
        No, they don’t inject you with cyanide or something that kills the organs.
User23 8y ago
No that's Russia.
toss1 8y ago
No. They've earned it over the last 70 years. China is making strategic practices of lying and cheating on every level, from small biz to strategic military issues, and they are vertically integrating all of it. At the small biz level, it is well known among anyone that if you let any IP visible to a Chinese partner, you should have the full expectation that it will be in your competitor's hands within hours, and you can expect to see your products being sold out the back door. At the larger biz level, it is a standard practice to demand that key IP is turned over to required Chinese 'partners' as a condition of doing business in the country. Backdoors have been engineered into both consumer and military hardware. China has been hacking everything from the US Office of Personnel Mgt (stealing info on every USG employee, including highly classified info on intel agents, & info on everyone that could be used to compromise them), to major and minor companies, to private citizens. China is continually and as a matter of policy expanding into and encroaching upon its neighbors from Tibet in the 1950s to the '9-dashed-line' in pacific waters today. I know many perfectly honorable Chinese people, and there are probably more of them than the entire population of the US. But, to regard official or business China as anything better than anything but a thief who will stab you in the back at the first opportunity is to be a fool. We in the west thought that we were exploiting China's cheap labor. Meanwhile, China was exploiting our myopic weakness for short term profits to seek massive strategic business and military advantage. This will go down in history as one of the greatest geopolitical blunders of all time.
- ngcc_hk 8y ago
  Say 1% of chinese are baddie and that is 14m ... and said the government is founded by not fighting the Japanese war and then steal the result ... it is part being normal (as us would have its share of baddies) and part being abnormal (which government including acts starving 30m death without consequence and starting intern ...) Aanyway for the money we all go.

Well... China actually exists, and is actually doing some of the things that people are scared of them for.

China is a state sponsor of hacking and industrial espionage and they're also incarcerating quite a number of people based on their ethnicity, and harvesting their organs when they die in incarceration. Among other things. Call it what you want but, even with a lot of grey in between, these things are real and material. That said, I suggest the number of stories appearing in the press as of late might be part of a steady leak of information from US authorities as part of their strategy to put pressure on China during trade negotiations.

dunpeal 8y ago
Right, but if all I do is accept obvious reality as it is, I'll be just like everyone else! How will others know I'm intellectually superior to them, unless I express some edgy contrarian view?!
Scaevolus 8y ago
Organs aren't very useful when people die outside of a hospital. They're harvested from brain dead patients or those that have just undergone cardiac death. edit: I was responding to "harvesting their organs when they die in incarceration" -- this sounds like it's a natural death.
- drhodes 8y ago
  https://www.amnestyusa.org/execution-vans-organ-harvesting-business-as-usual-in-china/ https://www.amnestyusa.org/execution-vans-organ-harvesting-b... > For many years, it has been known that China uses execution vans, kind of like specially outfitted ambulances, to more efficiently carry out its exceedingly large number of executions. The method of killing in these vans is lethal injection, which has been slowly but surely replacing the firing squad as China’s preferred means of execution, and both lethal injection and the vans are believed to facilitate the widespread practice of harvesting organs of the executed prisoners, an unbelievably appalling practice.
  - blacksmith_tb 8y ago
    Not that I doubt it's happening, but I'd have thought that lethal injection would poison the recipients of the stolen organs?
    - kortilla 8y ago
      No, they don’t inject you with cyanide or something that kills the organs.

User23 8y ago

No that's Russia.

toss1 8y ago

No. They've earned it over the last 70 years. China is making strategic practices of lying and cheating on every level, from small biz to strategic military issues, and they are vertically integrating all of it. At the small biz level, it is well known among anyone that if you let any IP visible to a Chinese partner, you should have the full expectation that it will be in your competitor's hands within hours, and you can expect to see your products being sold out the back door. At the larger biz level, it is a standard practice to demand that key IP is turned over to required Chinese 'partners' as a condition of doing business in the country. Backdoors have been engineered into both consumer and military hardware. China has been hacking everything from the US Office of Personnel Mgt (stealing info on every USG employee, including highly classified info on intel agents, & info on everyone that could be used to compromise them), to major and minor companies, to private citizens. China is continually and as a matter of policy expanding into and encroaching upon its neighbors from Tibet in the 1950s to the '9-dashed-line' in pacific waters today. I know many perfectly honorable Chinese people, and there are probably more of them than the entire population of the US. But, to regard official or business China as anything better than anything but a thief who will stab you in the back at the first opportunity is to be a fool. We in the west thought that we were exploiting China's cheap labor. Meanwhile, China was exploiting our myopic weakness for short term profits to seek massive strategic business and military advantage. This will go down in history as one of the greatest geopolitical blunders of all time.

ngcc_hk 8y ago
Say 1% of chinese are baddie and that is 14m ... and said the government is founded by not fighting the Japanese war and then steal the result ... it is part being normal (as us would have its share of baddies) and part being abnormal (which government including acts starving 30m death without consequence and starting intern ...) Aanyway for the money we all go.