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Car thief steals your car from your garage. Car thief crashes car into crowd of people. Crowd of people sue you for damages because you didn't make your garag

Car thief steals your car from your garage. Car thief crashes car into crowd of people. Crowd of people sue you for damages because you didn't make your garage secure enough? Why didn't you hire a 24/7 security service to protect your property to decrease risk?

toufiqbarhamov 8y ago
What you’re facetiously describing actually is a thing in legal settings, just not with your locked car. If you left your car in front of an elementary school all day, keys in the ignition and running, and some preteen joyrides it into someone, brace yourself. In the same way that if kids climb your inadequate fence and drown in your pool, you’re screwed. I think it’s more than fair to say that reams of personal info stored by companies is such an attractive nuisance.
jstarfish 8y ago
See what happens when a kid drowns in your unsecured backyard pool on more than one occasion or brings your unsecured handgun to school more than once. I get that it's liberating to disclaim responsibility for the consequences of anything we do, but that isn't how the world works. At some point (however far) you are held responsible for your negligence.
excalibur 8y ago
If you are running a for-profit parking garage? Absolutely.
tucaz 8y ago
if I was a parking garage that made money by keeping my clients car and 1) other similar companies did the same and had their cars stolen over and over again (so I know it is likely or at least possible) and 2) thieves killed hundreds of people by using the stolen cars and 3) I didn’t provide any sort of damage reparation to my clients then: yes. Or, how about they explicitly tell their customers that they can’t keep their data safe and might be a target of an attack that harms the customer? I’m ok with either option. There is an implicit expectation/contract that if a company is collecting your data it will keep it safe. If it’s not going to do that and will not do anything afterwards to repair any damages caused then they should just delete it after using that data or, advertise they can’t keep it safe and let the customer decide.
kakarot 8y ago
No, but if you're hosting someone else's car in your garage as a service and a thief takes it for a homicidal joyride, you are liable to that person for your shitty security.
zaphirplane 8y ago
An online shopping/travel site you used is hacked, the hackers use your credit card. What is your position now ?
- assblaster 8y ago
  Credit card charge back, identify culprits, prosecute. Write off any actual monetary loss.
- ineedasername 8y ago
  The government steps in here and limits the liability that can be placed on the consumer. I think it's $50. The rest is on the credit card company. Strong incentive for credit card companies to have strong anti fraud units.
  - hermitdev 8y ago
    Say you used your debit card instead of credit card, you are now 100% liable in the US, to the best of my knowledge, up to the point you or the credit card company identify the fraudulent activity.
    - ineedasername 8y ago
      For debit cards the EFTA offers protection: $50 maximum liability if reported within 2 days, $500 if reported with 60 days. After that it's unlimited, unless your bank offers some type of protection.
jacques_chester 8y ago
Torts law is, happily, able to distinguish the very wide spectrum between such extreme cases. This means it is notoriously complex and nuanced, but it's not going to be overturned by boolean strawmen.
User23 8y ago
In some states this is pretty much how it works if your guns are stolen. Edit: Moral of the story, since perhaps it's not obvious to all, is secure your dangerous property, cars, guns, band saws, computer networks, or otherwise.

toufiqbarhamov 8y ago

What you’re facetiously describing actually is a thing in legal settings, just not with your locked car. If you left your car in front of an elementary school all day, keys in the ignition and running, and some preteen joyrides it into someone, brace yourself. In the same way that if kids climb your inadequate fence and drown in your pool, you’re screwed. I think it’s more than fair to say that reams of personal info stored by companies is such an attractive nuisance.

jstarfish 8y ago

See what happens when a kid drowns in your unsecured backyard pool on more than one occasion or brings your unsecured handgun to school more than once. I get that it's liberating to disclaim responsibility for the consequences of anything we do, but that isn't how the world works. At some point (however far) you are held responsible for your negligence.

excalibur 8y ago

If you are running a for-profit parking garage? Absolutely.

tucaz 8y ago

if I was a parking garage that made money by keeping my clients car and 1) other similar companies did the same and had their cars stolen over and over again (so I know it is likely or at least possible) and 2) thieves killed hundreds of people by using the stolen cars and 3) I didn’t provide any sort of damage reparation to my clients then: yes. Or, how about they explicitly tell their customers that they can’t keep their data safe and might be a target of an attack that harms the customer? I’m ok with either option. There is an implicit expectation/contract that if a company is collecting your data it will keep it safe. If it’s not going to do that and will not do anything afterwards to repair any damages caused then they should just delete it after using that data or, advertise they can’t keep it safe and let the customer decide.

kakarot 8y ago

No, but if you're hosting someone else's car in your garage as a service and a thief takes it for a homicidal joyride, you are liable to that person for your shitty security.

zaphirplane 8y ago

An online shopping/travel site you used is hacked, the hackers use your credit card. What is your position now ?

assblaster 8y ago
Credit card charge back, identify culprits, prosecute. Write off any actual monetary loss.
ineedasername 8y ago
The government steps in here and limits the liability that can be placed on the consumer. I think it's $50. The rest is on the credit card company. Strong incentive for credit card companies to have strong anti fraud units.
- hermitdev 8y ago
  Say you used your debit card instead of credit card, you are now 100% liable in the US, to the best of my knowledge, up to the point you or the credit card company identify the fraudulent activity.
  - ineedasername 8y ago
    For debit cards the EFTA offers protection: $50 maximum liability if reported within 2 days, $500 if reported with 60 days. After that it's unlimited, unless your bank offers some type of protection.

jacques_chester 8y ago

Torts law is, happily, able to distinguish the very wide spectrum between such extreme cases. This means it is notoriously complex and nuanced, but it's not going to be overturned by boolean strawmen.

User23 8y ago

In some states this is pretty much how it works if your guns are stolen. Edit: Moral of the story, since perhaps it's not obvious to all, is secure your dangerous property, cars, guns, band saws, computer networks, or otherwise.