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Qualcomm presumably know Apple are intending to completely replace them soon then; I’m pretty sure this sort of action will prove to be very bad for Qualcomm -

Qualcomm presumably know Apple are intending to completely replace them soon then; I’m pretty sure this sort of action will prove to be very bad for Qualcomm - if you are willing to sue Apple no customer is safe!

bunnycorn 8y ago
Apple already 100% replaced them. Every 2018 model has Intel modems.
- andy_ppp 8y ago
  Seems to be super coincidental doesn’t it...
  - bunnycorn 8y ago
    It's not, Qualcomm is suing Apple because Apple dropped them. They have nothing to lose now.
- usrusr 8y ago
  I wonder how many would-be customers of the affected phones are now self-upselling to a younger, more expensive model. This could be surprisingly painless for Apple. Lure people into stores with relatively cheap offers, then declare them unavailable: if they did the same thing without Qualcommm's involvement, it would be an illegal sales tactic.
  - bunnycorn 8y ago
    Apple is still selling them in Germany, the article looks like it's final, but it's not.
ksec 8y ago
You can only replace them in hardware terms. Apple will still need to pay Qualcomm in 2G-5G patents fees, as well as all other patents Qualcomm holds, from Graphics, Power Management, DSP, etc etc. Of Course the reverse is also true that there is a high probability Qualcomm would have also infringe on certain Apple's patents. Most customer already has a deal in place with Qualcomm or are using Qualcomm SoC. The only one who could try to have a go against Qualcomm would be Samsung and Huawei. Both seems to have a decent relationship with Qualcomm, for now.
- stefan_ 8y ago
  The reason for this entire conflict is Qualcomm asking for a percentage royalty of the entire device. When you use an Intel radio, sure Intel needs to license the 2G-5G patents, but those are FRAND, and no legal interpretation in the world would ever entitle Qualcomm to a percentage of an iPhone using an Intel radio.
  - ksec 8y ago
    A lot of people thinks it is the percentage that is the problem. It Is not. Ericsson, Nokia, ZTE, LG, Samsung, Huawei along with a few others all charges percentage of Phone for their Royalty ( Or at least it used to be ). I can guarantee you Apple would have no problem with Qualcomm if the percentage were only 0.1%. And it is not like Intel has already paid any license fo 2G-5G patents to Qualcomm ( They haven't ), and Qualcomm recollect another set of license fees from Apple ( Or more accurately from Foxconn ).

bunnycorn 8y ago

Apple already 100% replaced them. Every 2018 model has Intel modems.

andy_ppp 8y ago
Seems to be super coincidental doesn’t it...
- bunnycorn 8y ago
  It's not, Qualcomm is suing Apple because Apple dropped them. They have nothing to lose now.
usrusr 8y ago
I wonder how many would-be customers of the affected phones are now self-upselling to a younger, more expensive model. This could be surprisingly painless for Apple. Lure people into stores with relatively cheap offers, then declare them unavailable: if they did the same thing without Qualcommm's involvement, it would be an illegal sales tactic.
- bunnycorn 8y ago
  Apple is still selling them in Germany, the article looks like it's final, but it's not.

ksec 8y ago

You can only replace them in hardware terms. Apple will still need to pay Qualcomm in 2G-5G patents fees, as well as all other patents Qualcomm holds, from Graphics, Power Management, DSP, etc etc. Of Course the reverse is also true that there is a high probability Qualcomm would have also infringe on certain Apple's patents. Most customer already has a deal in place with Qualcomm or are using Qualcomm SoC. The only one who could try to have a go against Qualcomm would be Samsung and Huawei. Both seems to have a decent relationship with Qualcomm, for now.

stefan_ 8y ago
The reason for this entire conflict is Qualcomm asking for a percentage royalty of the entire device. When you use an Intel radio, sure Intel needs to license the 2G-5G patents, but those are FRAND, and no legal interpretation in the world would ever entitle Qualcomm to a percentage of an iPhone using an Intel radio.
- ksec 8y ago
  A lot of people thinks it is the percentage that is the problem. It Is not. Ericsson, Nokia, ZTE, LG, Samsung, Huawei along with a few others all charges percentage of Phone for their Royalty ( Or at least it used to be ). I can guarantee you Apple would have no problem with Qualcomm if the percentage were only 0.1%. And it is not like Intel has already paid any license fo 2G-5G patents to Qualcomm ( They haven't ), and Qualcomm recollect another set of license fees from Apple ( Or more accurately from Foxconn ).