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Comma2k19 – A dataset of over 33 hours of commute in California's 280 highway

70 points by pd0wm 8y ago

ElijahLynn 8y ago
Great to see this is still going! This space needs competition, and I can't see a future where this potentially life-threatening (and also life-saving) technology is close source. It only seems logical it will eventually be 100% open, in order to gain public trust.
- nharada 8y ago
  I really like the idea of all of this tech being open source, but I don't think it's logical that eventually it will all be 100% open. There's tons of safety critical software now that's closed source (avionics software, utility and power plant software, spacecraft control systems, etc).
  - ElijahLynn 8y ago
    I think society will eventually demand it, all it will take is a few fatalities, and even if society doesn't, I can't help but think that some company will win out _because_ they are open, like Red Hat.
    - jiveturkey 8y ago
      in what way has red hat won out?
    - zucan 8y ago
      Society cares about working products, not the tech behind it - I don't see calls specifically for making critical software open source any time sooner than the year of the Linux desktop. Regulations and fines are proven tools, and even if it doesn't make autonomous cars significantly safer, it will make them expensive enough to reduce fatalities.
  - ElijahLynn 8y ago
    We really should be demanding that Waymo be opensource by default from our congress though. May take a few more generations to overtake the current old-brain congress though.
    - knicholes 8y ago
      Maybe after they've recovered the huge costs of developing their software.
ProjectBarks 8y ago
comma.ai has never ceased to impress me. Im interested to see if they will begin a transition from level 2 to level 4 as OpenPilot becomes more polished.
syntaxing 8y ago
I have mix feeling about comma.ai I like what they stand for and what they're trying to achieve. But after reading their Openpilot code, it seems completely irresponsible releasing the Eon dev kit they way it is especially after their NHTSA stunt (I only reviewed the code when it first came out so things may have changed). I also wonder why this code is not being ported to something like a Jetson TX2. Especially with the new 4GB version priced at $199, I cannot see the argument of cost savings to using an OnePlus 3.
- leesec 8y ago
  The most recent Eon isn't a OnePlus 3 it's a LeEco LePro 3. I don't see how it's really irresponsible also, it is a relatively complicated set up ( getting easier all the time ), but people definitely are aware this isn't a fully fledged product and that they should be keeping an eye at all times.
  - syntaxing 8y ago
    I was wondering what they were using since the Oneplus3 have been discontinued for so long. It's irresponsible because they wrote an apk that patches to a python script... They could at least have some portion written in some hardware language like C++, especially the safety check section. Also, when I first read it there was zero redundancy. They could at a minimum do a soft watchdog how ROS does it. Putting your Drive by Wire node and the logic processing all in one unit is a horrible idea. They should have one device to do the inference like the TX2 and another do the DBW (the LePro 3).
    - pd0wm 8y ago
      There is a microcontroller between the phone and the car that monitors all communication and enforces safety limits. This code is written in C++.
      - syntaxing 8y ago
        I thought the microcontroller in the middle was doing the CAN injection only. Is this no longer the case?
samstave 8y ago
Sorry for being naive on this, but I have some questions: Looking at this, it appears that they have mounted this device on a car and just had it taking in all sorts of data to effectively feed dataset into a map that can be used by self driving cars, correct? If I were doing a project like this - I would attempt to work with waste disposal companies to put these sensors on every garbage company. Garbage companies will literally map out every potential road which can be driven on - as they will make rounds to nearly every structure to retrieve their waste - and will even drive down alleys, apartment/condo complexes/gated communities etc... Has anyone attempted to work with waste companies? (I have some contacts who work with the bay area waste management company if anyone needs to find out how to talk to them)
- beamatronic 8y ago
  I think you’re right. Garbage collection companies, seen as a mobile sensor platform, probably can generate data (maps, wardriving, street view, AVL) worth more than their actual core business.
  - doctorpangloss 8y ago
    I think what’s more telling is the opposite implication. That despite ample sources of data, it’s not actually that valuable. Did you ever consider that the reason that self driving cars are overhyped is because the underlying science is bad, not that there is insufficient data? Wouldn’t it be in Waymo’s interest for everyone to believe that it’s all about data, while they bide time trying to make something that works?
    - pavs 8y ago
      The problem itself is difficult and the cost of making mistake is high. Thats why the progress is relatively slow. Also, at least to my opinion, its not very clear that the market is big enough. Its highly unlikely that one single company can monopolize the market as there are quite a few rich companies with deep pocket and extremely talented team are investing in the same space. If more than a dozen companies comes out with very similar performing self-driving solution. The markey may not be big enough to recoup the investment into this technology. For the longest time I thought waymo was way ahead of everyone else - but the nature of their slow and passive progress in to the market doesn't give me a lot of confidence in their abilities. They have a hardtime in relatively peaceful streets of developed world, how will technilogy work on the streets of developing countries where most people live? I think the problem is extremely hard. And it will take a lot longer than most people initially though it would.
sdan 8y ago
Another good driving dataset. I liked Berkeley's as well.
gammateam 8y ago
now to submit a PR for WAAAAY more than 33 hours, pl0x
ptd 8y ago
From jailbreaking to self-driving cars. What an interesting path in life. Goes to show that you really never know where you will end up, and everything you learn along the way will help.

70 points by pd0wm 8y ago

Great to see this is still going! This space needs competition, and I can't see a future where this potentially life-threatening (and also life-saving) technology is close source. It only seems logical it will eventually be 100% open, in order to gain public trust.

nharada 8y ago
I really like the idea of all of this tech being open source, but I don't think it's logical that eventually it will all be 100% open. There's tons of safety critical software now that's closed source (avionics software, utility and power plant software, spacecraft control systems, etc).
- ElijahLynn 8y ago
  I think society will eventually demand it, all it will take is a few fatalities, and even if society doesn't, I can't help but think that some company will win out _because_ they are open, like Red Hat.
  - jiveturkey 8y ago
    in what way has red hat won out?
  - zucan 8y ago
    Society cares about working products, not the tech behind it - I don't see calls specifically for making critical software open source any time sooner than the year of the Linux desktop. Regulations and fines are proven tools, and even if it doesn't make autonomous cars significantly safer, it will make them expensive enough to reduce fatalities.
- ElijahLynn 8y ago
  We really should be demanding that Waymo be opensource by default from our congress though. May take a few more generations to overtake the current old-brain congress though.
  - knicholes 8y ago
    Maybe after they've recovered the huge costs of developing their software.

ProjectBarks 8y ago

comma.ai has never ceased to impress me. Im interested to see if they will begin a transition from level 2 to level 4 as OpenPilot becomes more polished.

syntaxing 8y ago

I have mix feeling about comma.ai I like what they stand for and what they're trying to achieve. But after reading their Openpilot code, it seems completely irresponsible releasing the Eon dev kit they way it is especially after their NHTSA stunt (I only reviewed the code when it first came out so things may have changed). I also wonder why this code is not being ported to something like a Jetson TX2. Especially with the new 4GB version priced at $199, I cannot see the argument of cost savings to using an OnePlus 3.

leesec 8y ago
The most recent Eon isn't a OnePlus 3 it's a LeEco LePro 3. I don't see how it's really irresponsible also, it is a relatively complicated set up ( getting easier all the time ), but people definitely are aware this isn't a fully fledged product and that they should be keeping an eye at all times.
- syntaxing 8y ago
  I was wondering what they were using since the Oneplus3 have been discontinued for so long. It's irresponsible because they wrote an apk that patches to a python script... They could at least have some portion written in some hardware language like C++, especially the safety check section. Also, when I first read it there was zero redundancy. They could at a minimum do a soft watchdog how ROS does it. Putting your Drive by Wire node and the logic processing all in one unit is a horrible idea. They should have one device to do the inference like the TX2 and another do the DBW (the LePro 3).
  - pd0wm 8y ago
    There is a microcontroller between the phone and the car that monitors all communication and enforces safety limits. This code is written in C++.
    - syntaxing 8y ago
      I thought the microcontroller in the middle was doing the CAN injection only. Is this no longer the case?

samstave 8y ago

Sorry for being naive on this, but I have some questions: Looking at this, it appears that they have mounted this device on a car and just had it taking in all sorts of data to effectively feed dataset into a map that can be used by self driving cars, correct? If I were doing a project like this - I would attempt to work with waste disposal companies to put these sensors on every garbage company. Garbage companies will literally map out every potential road which can be driven on - as they will make rounds to nearly every structure to retrieve their waste - and will even drive down alleys, apartment/condo complexes/gated communities etc... Has anyone attempted to work with waste companies? (I have some contacts who work with the bay area waste management company if anyone needs to find out how to talk to them)

beamatronic 8y ago
I think you’re right. Garbage collection companies, seen as a mobile sensor platform, probably can generate data (maps, wardriving, street view, AVL) worth more than their actual core business.
- doctorpangloss 8y ago
  I think what’s more telling is the opposite implication. That despite ample sources of data, it’s not actually that valuable. Did you ever consider that the reason that self driving cars are overhyped is because the underlying science is bad, not that there is insufficient data? Wouldn’t it be in Waymo’s interest for everyone to believe that it’s all about data, while they bide time trying to make something that works?
  - pavs 8y ago
    The problem itself is difficult and the cost of making mistake is high. Thats why the progress is relatively slow. Also, at least to my opinion, its not very clear that the market is big enough. Its highly unlikely that one single company can monopolize the market as there are quite a few rich companies with deep pocket and extremely talented team are investing in the same space. If more than a dozen companies comes out with very similar performing self-driving solution. The markey may not be big enough to recoup the investment into this technology. For the longest time I thought waymo was way ahead of everyone else - but the nature of their slow and passive progress in to the market doesn't give me a lot of confidence in their abilities. They have a hardtime in relatively peaceful streets of developed world, how will technilogy work on the streets of developing countries where most people live? I think the problem is extremely hard. And it will take a lot longer than most people initially though it would.

sdan 8y ago

Another good driving dataset. I liked Berkeley's as well.

gammateam 8y ago

now to submit a PR for WAAAAY more than 33 hours, pl0x

ptd 8y ago

From jailbreaking to self-driving cars. What an interesting path in life. Goes to show that you really never know where you will end up, and everything you learn along the way will help.