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I've made a fairly well-considered decision to use most of these new services. I keep virtually all of my content on services run by five major corporations bec

by fipple 8y ago

I've made a fairly well-considered decision to use most of these new services. I keep virtually all of my content on services run by five major corporations because I'd rather have my entire phone's photos published on the front page of the Washington Post than lose all the photos of my kids. I'd rather have Jeff Bezos listening to everything happening in my house than have the more frequent trips to the grocery store that were needed before I had voice-controlled shopping lists. I'm not an ignoramus, I've just decided that certain things that are very important to some are not important to me. I agree that the decisions that me and others are making are hugely damaging collectively but that is a different issue.

vonseel 8y ago
And you're not the only one. Outside of HN, in the real world, the average person doesn't set up a FreeNAS server or homelab for data storage, doesn't know how to do backups, and doesn't have nearly as much concern over privacy as the fear mongers here at HN, Reddit, and tech publications. Fear mongering is nothing new, folks. The media is incentivized to cater to people in that way; this is why they use scare tactics and write BS articles like this one which boil down to "someone fucked up, sent the data for one customer to another customer". Furthermore, the article implies this mixup would NEVER have happened if the user's had not requested their data be released per GPDR. The only valid question worth asking is this: are you willing to risk ANY chance of your data being compromised? Google/Apple/et.al. are not the enemy. For most users, convenience trumps security, and they will accept the minimal risk that comes with using services like Alexa and Google Photos. FWIW, I've lost years of photos and data before on my first run-a-round with FreeNAS. It's not something that's just easy for the average user or even average developer to use and deploy reliably. I'm trying FreeNAS again now 4 years later, but it's taken way more work than I expected to understand my options and ZFS, and I'm still not sure I'll ever store anything critical on it.
- Supernaut 8y ago
  > the article implies this mixup would NEVER have happened if the user's [sic] had not requested their data be released per GPDR. OK, cool. So as long as I don't assert my rights under data protection regulations, Amazon probably won't orchestrate a grotesque breach of my privacy?
  - vonseel 8y ago
    It's a mistake, man (or woman). Shit happens. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ We have to expect as users of cloud software there is a chance our data could be compromised by BUGS or human error. I think that should be a given in any scenario. There's a difference between releasing data to third parties (or internal employees having access) as a matter of standard practice, and an unexpected breach or error in process leading to accidental disclosure of personal data. As a reader, I am uninterested in articles about the latter. It's clickbait / doomsday journalism. The most interesting stories are those about grave errors in judgment/behavior and cases that indicate a company has routinely breached user trust. I do not agree that "employee mistakes" fall in that category.

by fipple 8y ago

vonseel 8y ago

And you're not the only one. Outside of HN, in the real world, the average person doesn't set up a FreeNAS server or homelab for data storage, doesn't know how to do backups, and doesn't have nearly as much concern over privacy as the fear mongers here at HN, Reddit, and tech publications. Fear mongering is nothing new, folks. The media is incentivized to cater to people in that way; this is why they use scare tactics and write BS articles like this one which boil down to "someone fucked up, sent the data for one customer to another customer". Furthermore, the article implies this mixup would NEVER have happened if the user's had not requested their data be released per GPDR. The only valid question worth asking is this: are you willing to risk ANY chance of your data being compromised? Google/Apple/et.al. are not the enemy. For most users, convenience trumps security, and they will accept the minimal risk that comes with using services like Alexa and Google Photos. FWIW, I've lost years of photos and data before on my first run-a-round with FreeNAS. It's not something that's just easy for the average user or even average developer to use and deploy reliably. I'm trying FreeNAS again now 4 years later, but it's taken way more work than I expected to understand my options and ZFS, and I'm still not sure I'll ever store anything critical on it.

Supernaut 8y ago
> the article implies this mixup would NEVER have happened if the user's [sic] had not requested their data be released per GPDR. OK, cool. So as long as I don't assert my rights under data protection regulations, Amazon probably won't orchestrate a grotesque breach of my privacy?
- vonseel 8y ago
  It's a mistake, man (or woman). Shit happens. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ We have to expect as users of cloud software there is a chance our data could be compromised by BUGS or human error. I think that should be a given in any scenario. There's a difference between releasing data to third parties (or internal employees having access) as a matter of standard practice, and an unexpected breach or error in process leading to accidental disclosure of personal data. As a reader, I am uninterested in articles about the latter. It's clickbait / doomsday journalism. The most interesting stories are those about grave errors in judgment/behavior and cases that indicate a company has routinely breached user trust. I do not agree that "employee mistakes" fall in that category.