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so is it "they won't open their wallet!" or "they won't let you publish!"

m0zg 8y ago
How about both. Google, Microsoft, and Facebook both pay their researchers very well and let them publish extensively. That's why they have world-leading research organizations, and Apple does not.
- danso 8y ago
  If Google’s strategy is to be emulated, then why is hiring someone who was part of that strategy a bad move on Apple’s part?
  - m0zg 8y ago
    I'm not saying it's a _bad_ move. It's just insufficient. And until they unclench wrt publishing nothing is going to change for them. And even after they do that, it will take a lot of convincing (and large wads of cash) to hire the best talent that can not only get Siri to catch up to Google, but overtake it. My problem is not with Giannandrea's new position, it's with the lack of urgency on Apple's part. My patience has been wearing thin as of late.
    - tibyat 8y ago
      you’re the mark jackson of tech commentating. you refuse to commit to any fact, likely because you dont have any to share, yet you feel oh so strongly for your argument, so you try to base it on intangibles like “lack of urgency”.
- psychometry 8y ago
  Do you have evidence that Apple pays AI researchers less than those other companies? Honestly I'm not sure that you even understand the argument you're trying to make. The rest of us here certainly don't.
  - woolvalley 8y ago
    In my experience, the offers that google, fb & netflix give are better than the offers that amazon, msft & apple give on a consistent basis. 'Special' people will get special offers, but we would have to compare their offers of what they would get elsewhere, and if their special skill would be equally valued at other companies. Apple has an institutional memory of almost dying, so they can be a very 'cheap' company under the hood when they can get away with it. It reflects in their pay.
  - bad_good_guy 8y ago
    Just because you aren't understanding doesn't mean most others aren't. He clearly said the other companies have an AND situation in regards to pay and publishing. He is saying Apple does not, as it does not allow proper publishing. I.e. {'Pay' AND 'Publishing' > 'Pay'} not {Apple 'Pay' < Other 'Pay'}

m0zg 8y ago

How about both. Google, Microsoft, and Facebook both pay their researchers very well and let them publish extensively. That's why they have world-leading research organizations, and Apple does not.

danso 8y ago
If Google’s strategy is to be emulated, then why is hiring someone who was part of that strategy a bad move on Apple’s part?
- m0zg 8y ago
  I'm not saying it's a _bad_ move. It's just insufficient. And until they unclench wrt publishing nothing is going to change for them. And even after they do that, it will take a lot of convincing (and large wads of cash) to hire the best talent that can not only get Siri to catch up to Google, but overtake it. My problem is not with Giannandrea's new position, it's with the lack of urgency on Apple's part. My patience has been wearing thin as of late.
  - tibyat 8y ago
    you’re the mark jackson of tech commentating. you refuse to commit to any fact, likely because you dont have any to share, yet you feel oh so strongly for your argument, so you try to base it on intangibles like “lack of urgency”.
psychometry 8y ago
Do you have evidence that Apple pays AI researchers less than those other companies? Honestly I'm not sure that you even understand the argument you're trying to make. The rest of us here certainly don't.
- woolvalley 8y ago
  In my experience, the offers that google, fb & netflix give are better than the offers that amazon, msft & apple give on a consistent basis. 'Special' people will get special offers, but we would have to compare their offers of what they would get elsewhere, and if their special skill would be equally valued at other companies. Apple has an institutional memory of almost dying, so they can be a very 'cheap' company under the hood when they can get away with it. It reflects in their pay.
- bad_good_guy 8y ago
  Just because you aren't understanding doesn't mean most others aren't. He clearly said the other companies have an AND situation in regards to pay and publishing. He is saying Apple does not, as it does not allow proper publishing. I.e. {'Pay' AND 'Publishing' > 'Pay'} not {Apple 'Pay' < Other 'Pay'}