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JG was _managing people_ doing the magic. There's a difference. By himself, he can't really do much. He's not even a ML/DL guy per se.
by m0zg 8y ago
JG was _managing people_ doing the magic. There's a difference. By himself, he can't really do much. He's not even a ML/DL guy per se.
- geofft 8y agoMagic is about management. The most talented ICs can't do much unless management supports them in it. (And I say this as an IC.)
- m0zg 8y agoNot in research.
- Aloha 8y agoEven in Research. Xerox PARC is a great example - PARC invented everything, but very little of it was immediately commercially applicable - Good management, is what turns "people producing great things", to "people producing great things regular people can use"
- threeseed 8y agoManagers decide on the culture, composition and priorities of a team. They are just as significant as individuals in the team.
- geofft 8y agoAnyone with a successful research lab is a manager: they're spending a good chunk of their time herding grad students, writing grant proposals, hiring junior faculty, etc. This model works.
- oh_sigh 8y agoManagement is a necessary but insufficient condition for magic.
- djtriptych 8y agowhat is it you think executives do?
- danso 8y agoIf there’s one company that’s proved how successful non-technical leaders can be, it would seemingly be Apple.
- greglindahl 8y agojg isn't non-technical.
- danso 8y agoSo you concede that there was “magic” being done at Google, but you want to argue that Giannandrea’s leadership of the search and AI teams had nothing to do with it?
- hn_throwaway_99 8y agoDon't you think it's likely that JG will convince other top AI/ML talent to join Apple? That's usually a senior exec's main job, to recruit, retain and grow people who are building the products.
- hellofunk 8y agoUh, Jobs was not an engineer either, just a simple ol' manager, right? Managers don't have any power and capabilities, right?
- dboreham 8y agoffs jg is an Engineer.
- gumby 8y agoJG is the reason Google has all that ML effort. He joined google via the MetaWeb acquisition; when he'd finished his earn-out he wanted to leave but was asked to look around for something useful to do and consolidated a bunch of dispersed ML efforts. He also bought Deep Mind on behalf of Google. I don't know why you would say he's "not a DL/ML guy per se" -- he's a programmer, not an MBA type. You consider MetaWeb and TellMe inadequate?