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A free and open Indoor Navigation Service with superb accuracy

101 points by ENadyr 8y ago

ENadyr 8y ago
Any other open Indoor Navigation Services I should be looking at for inventory tracking?
- flossball 8y ago
  This isn't that. This is like google maps indoors for walking around malls and is no where near accurate for anything else. For inventory you could use decawave, but it would be pricey.
  - ENadyr 8y ago
    That's what they claim on their website, but you are right, I think Indoor Positioning System would be a better description of what Anyplace offers. <2m accuracy is good enough for me though, just wondering if there are any alternatives. And thanks for the Decawave suggestion, good to be aware of it but it is waaay too pricey as you mentioned
- lozaning 8y ago
  Your per unit cost of item tracked would be quite high, but there's a version of the client of https://www.internalpositioning.com/ https://www.internalpositioning.com/ that you can run on ESP32 boards. You'd need to figure out a power solution for the device too. I've had success putting 18650 cells and then 3d printing cases for these: https://www.amazon.com/Makerfocus-Battery-Shield-Raspberry-Arduino/dp/B075HB98J9 https://www.amazon.com/Makerfocus-Battery-Shield-Raspberry-A... Battery last long enough for peronal tracking around my house, but likely wouldn't be long enough to track the thing for multiple days in a row without a recharge.
hashhar 8y ago
I have had really good experience with a Microsoft Research project called Path. The main usecase I had was navigating places like shopping malls without proper shop numbers or any addressing scheme. You can find it discussed here https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/blog/path-guide-new-approach-indoor-navigation/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/blog/path-guide-new...
- stabbles 8y ago
  I think it is discontinued (the link to the app is broken). Any idea why?
  - tellarin 8y ago
    The team is aware of the website outage and it should be back online soon.
thsowers 8y ago
Bike-shedding: What kind of domain name is ap.cs.ucy.ac.cy?
- adrianmonk 8y ago
  Not sure whether to interpret your comment as "this is not the best usability choice" or "what does this mean?", but here's my answer to the latter. .ac.cy is the Cyprus equivalent of .edu in the US. Or, more similarly, of .ac.uk in the UK. ucy is University of Cyprus. cs is their Computer Science department. ap is Anyplace, the name of the app.
- owlninja 8y ago
  Looks like in Cyrpus (.cy) there is second level domains depending on the site, and ac.cy is for academic and research institutions. so ucy.ac.cy is the university of Cyprus, cs is the computer science subdomain, and ap for the anyplace sub subdomain. It does look odd...
- deleted 8y ago
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_underflow_ 8y ago
Didn't Portlandia do this a few seasons ago?
vxxzy 8y ago
Very interesting. Indoor mapping is a great project to take on. I started mapping my house using Wifi Signal. By capturing signal strength, noise, and connected AP for each device for every second. I can manage to turn lights off and on as I enter certain rooms. I can also tell the "occupancy level" of each room and "Who's where".
- NickBusey 8y ago
  Could you provide some more detail on how you do this?
  - vxxzy 8y ago
    I read the values right out from the AP and sends them to be stored in the DB. I had to build up a proper set of data (about a weeks worth) before I could go and "back fill" location. Uses some simple MA algos on the signal/noise. Working on "predicting" next location based on historical data.
    - Diederich 8y ago
      Which AP are you using?
      - vxxzy 8y ago
        Unifi
- 0xb100db1ade 8y ago
  How do you tell the occupancy level of each room via WiFi signal?
  - toomuchtodo 8y ago
    https://www.google.com/search?q=wifi+signal+presence+detection https://www.google.com/search?q=wifi+signal+presence+detecti...
  - 8y ago
deforciant 8y ago
Cool :) I have done my bachelor's project around wifi location fingerprinting back in the day. Took a year but with a bit of tweaks we did manage to calculate pretty accurate models of signal propagation by just having a wall model. The only downside at that time was the lack of development tools for Android (we had to use netbeans which was being horrifying experience). I guess it would be a lot easier to do the project with modern development environments + Flutter & Dart and using a bit more modern versions of OS :) Really nice to see that this area is still active and being worked on!
- sl1ck731 8y ago
  I did the same for my bachelors but we basically pushed a cart with a wifi sampler around the building and built a machine learning model in matlab based on the signal strength to access points. It would have worked waaaay better if we had some sort of surveying equipment to accurately capture each few steps of the cart.
lozaning 8y ago
Does anyone know how this differs from https://www.internalpositioning.com/ https://www.internalpositioning.com/ ? So far as I can tell the idea is almost exactly the same. I've been using that with quite a bit of success in automating my smart home as I move around it.
- ENadyr 8y ago
  Oh this is good, this does room level localisation by the looks of it. From what I can see, with Anyplace you have give it a building plan and then walk along the and sample the APs RSSI for each position, more data points give a better approximation of where you are
- TomMckenny 8y ago
  Am I correct in seeing that neither is available on Apple products? Is this because of some technical difference or is Apple putting up barriers or some sort of open source issue or something?
  - lozaning 8y ago
    Apple doesn't give apps the ability to read raw rssi values from seen list of ssid(s). Also their WiFi Mac randomizing can cause issues depending on how you've got things setup.
ElijahLynn 8y ago
tldr: Watch this demo video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO-473oWSfE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO-473oWSfE It is the Navigator Video on the far right column of the homepage.
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qaute 8y ago
> World-class accuracy of 1.96 meters Good for WiFi/IMU-based indoor (phone-based) position tracking, I believe. For more accuracy, especially for robotics, etc., Pozyx [1] claims resolution of "a few centimeters" (indoor rooms/outdoor) by using some custom trilateration circuitry, and then there are attempts to use VR (esp. Vive) methods [2], which are even better (albeit more limited range). [1] https://www.pozyx.io/ https://www.pozyx.io/ [2] https://hackaday.com/2018/09/04/this-is-your-solution-for-open-source-motion-tracking/ https://hackaday.com/2018/09/04/this-is-your-solution-for-op...
beamatronic 8y ago
Has anyone used the in-store navigation feature in the Target app? It works on items that are in stock - it shows you the aisle number. Tap on that and it shows a store map (with the correct floor you are on) and the location of the item and your location. It’s scarily accurate. I’m not sure of the technology behind it. Edit: a word, and also this was on iOS.
- coolspot 8y ago
  I was curious about their technology too. From my brief research it works using Bluetooth beacons accessible for app via iBeacon API - https://developer.apple.com/ibeacon/ https://developer.apple.com/ibeacon/
Geee 8y ago
There's also https://www.indooratlas.com/ https://www.indooratlas.com/ which does indoor positioning based on magnetic signatures.
- Joeri 8y ago
  From what I’ve heard they require regular recalibration, which is a pain because someone has to walk the floor.

101 points by ENadyr 8y ago

ENadyr 8y ago

Any other open Indoor Navigation Services I should be looking at for inventory tracking?

flossball 8y ago
This isn't that. This is like google maps indoors for walking around malls and is no where near accurate for anything else. For inventory you could use decawave, but it would be pricey.
- ENadyr 8y ago
  That's what they claim on their website, but you are right, I think Indoor Positioning System would be a better description of what Anyplace offers. <2m accuracy is good enough for me though, just wondering if there are any alternatives. And thanks for the Decawave suggestion, good to be aware of it but it is waaay too pricey as you mentioned
lozaning 8y ago
Your per unit cost of item tracked would be quite high, but there's a version of the client of https://www.internalpositioning.com/ https://www.internalpositioning.com/ that you can run on ESP32 boards. You'd need to figure out a power solution for the device too. I've had success putting 18650 cells and then 3d printing cases for these: https://www.amazon.com/Makerfocus-Battery-Shield-Raspberry-Arduino/dp/B075HB98J9 https://www.amazon.com/Makerfocus-Battery-Shield-Raspberry-A... Battery last long enough for peronal tracking around my house, but likely wouldn't be long enough to track the thing for multiple days in a row without a recharge.

hashhar 8y ago

I have had really good experience with a Microsoft Research project called Path. The main usecase I had was navigating places like shopping malls without proper shop numbers or any addressing scheme. You can find it discussed here https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/blog/path-guide-new-approach-indoor-navigation/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/blog/path-guide-new...

stabbles 8y ago
I think it is discontinued (the link to the app is broken). Any idea why?
- tellarin 8y ago
  The team is aware of the website outage and it should be back online soon.

thsowers 8y ago

Bike-shedding: What kind of domain name is ap.cs.ucy.ac.cy?

adrianmonk 8y ago
Not sure whether to interpret your comment as "this is not the best usability choice" or "what does this mean?", but here's my answer to the latter. .ac.cy is the Cyprus equivalent of .edu in the US. Or, more similarly, of .ac.uk in the UK. ucy is University of Cyprus. cs is their Computer Science department. ap is Anyplace, the name of the app.
owlninja 8y ago
Looks like in Cyrpus (.cy) there is second level domains depending on the site, and ac.cy is for academic and research institutions. so ucy.ac.cy is the university of Cyprus, cs is the computer science subdomain, and ap for the anyplace sub subdomain. It does look odd...
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_underflow_ 8y ago

Didn't Portlandia do this a few seasons ago?

vxxzy 8y ago

Very interesting. Indoor mapping is a great project to take on. I started mapping my house using Wifi Signal. By capturing signal strength, noise, and connected AP for each device for every second. I can manage to turn lights off and on as I enter certain rooms. I can also tell the "occupancy level" of each room and "Who's where".

NickBusey 8y ago
Could you provide some more detail on how you do this?
- vxxzy 8y ago
  I read the values right out from the AP and sends them to be stored in the DB. I had to build up a proper set of data (about a weeks worth) before I could go and "back fill" location. Uses some simple MA algos on the signal/noise. Working on "predicting" next location based on historical data.
  - Diederich 8y ago
    Which AP are you using?
    - vxxzy 8y ago
      Unifi
0xb100db1ade 8y ago
How do you tell the occupancy level of each room via WiFi signal?
- toomuchtodo 8y ago
  https://www.google.com/search?q=wifi+signal+presence+detection https://www.google.com/search?q=wifi+signal+presence+detecti...
- 8y ago

deforciant 8y ago

Cool :) I have done my bachelor's project around wifi location fingerprinting back in the day. Took a year but with a bit of tweaks we did manage to calculate pretty accurate models of signal propagation by just having a wall model. The only downside at that time was the lack of development tools for Android (we had to use netbeans which was being horrifying experience). I guess it would be a lot easier to do the project with modern development environments + Flutter & Dart and using a bit more modern versions of OS :) Really nice to see that this area is still active and being worked on!

sl1ck731 8y ago
I did the same for my bachelors but we basically pushed a cart with a wifi sampler around the building and built a machine learning model in matlab based on the signal strength to access points. It would have worked waaaay better if we had some sort of surveying equipment to accurately capture each few steps of the cart.

lozaning 8y ago

Does anyone know how this differs from https://www.internalpositioning.com/ https://www.internalpositioning.com/ ? So far as I can tell the idea is almost exactly the same. I've been using that with quite a bit of success in automating my smart home as I move around it.

ENadyr 8y ago
Oh this is good, this does room level localisation by the looks of it. From what I can see, with Anyplace you have give it a building plan and then walk along the and sample the APs RSSI for each position, more data points give a better approximation of where you are
TomMckenny 8y ago
Am I correct in seeing that neither is available on Apple products? Is this because of some technical difference or is Apple putting up barriers or some sort of open source issue or something?
- lozaning 8y ago
  Apple doesn't give apps the ability to read raw rssi values from seen list of ssid(s). Also their WiFi Mac randomizing can cause issues depending on how you've got things setup.

ElijahLynn 8y ago

tldr: Watch this demo video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO-473oWSfE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO-473oWSfE It is the Navigator Video on the far right column of the homepage.

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qaute 8y ago

> World-class accuracy of 1.96 meters Good for WiFi/IMU-based indoor (phone-based) position tracking, I believe. For more accuracy, especially for robotics, etc., Pozyx [1] claims resolution of "a few centimeters" (indoor rooms/outdoor) by using some custom trilateration circuitry, and then there are attempts to use VR (esp. Vive) methods [2], which are even better (albeit more limited range). [1] https://www.pozyx.io/ https://www.pozyx.io/ [2] https://hackaday.com/2018/09/04/this-is-your-solution-for-open-source-motion-tracking/ https://hackaday.com/2018/09/04/this-is-your-solution-for-op...

beamatronic 8y ago

Has anyone used the in-store navigation feature in the Target app? It works on items that are in stock - it shows you the aisle number. Tap on that and it shows a store map (with the correct floor you are on) and the location of the item and your location. It’s scarily accurate. I’m not sure of the technology behind it. Edit: a word, and also this was on iOS.

coolspot 8y ago
I was curious about their technology too. From my brief research it works using Bluetooth beacons accessible for app via iBeacon API - https://developer.apple.com/ibeacon/ https://developer.apple.com/ibeacon/

Geee 8y ago

There's also https://www.indooratlas.com/ https://www.indooratlas.com/ which does indoor positioning based on magnetic signatures.

Joeri 8y ago
From what I’ve heard they require regular recalibration, which is a pain because someone has to walk the floor.