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I've heard Matrix might be a good IRC replacement. But it also still looks rough to me. I only tried it once, but didn't continue as I didn't need it for anyt

I've heard Matrix might be a good IRC replacement. But it also still looks rough to me. I only tried it once, but didn't continue as I didn't need it for anything.

SamWhited 8y ago
Matrix the protocol is pretty awful, and I'm not a huge fan of the "official" clients, but YMMV. The real problem with it though is that unlike IRC and XMPP the protocol itself isn't developed in a sustainable way by a standards foundation with a reasonable funding model. The protocol itself doesn't really matter that much though as long as we pick one that will be maintained and won't just go bankrupt (so IRC or XMPP depending on what you want to build) and then build nice services that support it. Remember, Slack is a service and a protocol, XMPP/IRC are just protocols. You still need good services like conversations.im or Freenode built on top of them for it to be usable. Unfortunately, we don't have many good services like Slack that have commercial backing but use an open protocol.
Argorak 8y ago
Matrix is terrible in as it is purely focused on building a protocol. Everything else is underserved. People are into Chats because of the clients.
- SamWhited 8y ago
  In all fairness to Matrix, this tends to be XMPP and IRCs biggest fault too. Although I tend to think the protocol needs to be developed by an independent standards body that really only focuses on that (which is the problem with Matrix, it can't go anywhere because it's fettered by a commercial entity that doesn't actually know much about protocol development). IRC and XMPP on the other hand have a standards body, but need to stop advertising them as if only the public network is usable: they need companies on board building their own services that use them (and possibly federate, or possibly allow third party clients).

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I've heard Matrix might be a good IRC replacement. But it also still looks rough to me. I only tried it once, but didn't continue as I didn't need it for anyt

by ChrisClark 8y ago

I've heard Matrix might be a good IRC replacement. But it also still looks rough to me. I only tried it once, but didn't continue as I didn't need it for anything.

SamWhited 8y ago
Matrix the protocol is pretty awful, and I'm not a huge fan of the "official" clients, but YMMV. The real problem with it though is that unlike IRC and XMPP the protocol itself isn't developed in a sustainable way by a standards foundation with a reasonable funding model. The protocol itself doesn't really matter that much though as long as we pick one that will be maintained and won't just go bankrupt (so IRC or XMPP depending on what you want to build) and then build nice services that support it. Remember, Slack is a service and a protocol, XMPP/IRC are just protocols. You still need good services like conversations.im or Freenode built on top of them for it to be usable. Unfortunately, we don't have many good services like Slack that have commercial backing but use an open protocol.
Argorak 8y ago
Matrix is terrible in as it is purely focused on building a protocol. Everything else is underserved. People are into Chats because of the clients.
- SamWhited 8y ago
  In all fairness to Matrix, this tends to be XMPP and IRCs biggest fault too. Although I tend to think the protocol needs to be developed by an independent standards body that really only focuses on that (which is the problem with Matrix, it can't go anywhere because it's fettered by a commercial entity that doesn't actually know much about protocol development). IRC and XMPP on the other hand have a standards body, but need to stop advertising them as if only the public network is usable: they need companies on board building their own services that use them (and possibly federate, or possibly allow third party clients).