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I don't understand what's wrong with this comment, but OP is right. We have seen cases where domain registries or hosting providers suspend accounts for violat

I don't understand what's wrong with this comment, but OP is right. We have seen cases where domain registries or hosting providers suspend accounts for violating their ToS, which is totally legal.

laumars 8y ago
Because you don’t need a hosting provider to self host. You don’t even need a domain name either. But in all honesty, there are hundreds of registrars and thousands of hosting providers around the world. Not all of them fall under US jurisdiction. But if you’re really really paranoid of getting shut down, there’s also .onion sites or distributed systems like IPFS. You can not prevent people from communicating on the internet any more than you can prevent people from writing letters.
- paraditedc 8y ago
  I am not sure where you live, but in many places you can't host your own servers from your room because of ISP restrictions. Also, there are not a lot of places where you can find data centers that rent servers out for personal uses.
  - jmiserez 8y ago
    Even then it's only a question of money, and you can keep local backups without having to fear it'll all be gone tomorrow.
  - laumars 8y ago
    > I am not sure where you live, but in many places you can't host your own servers from your room because of ISP restrictions. We have those restrictions in the UK but I've never once known any ISP act upon them. But in any case, I did also list other options that wasn't reliant on your ISP as well. > Also, there are not a lot of places where you can find data centers that rent servers out for personal uses. Sure there are. Hosting providers don't care if you're a business or private individual - they just want your cash. There's even serval places in Europe where you can send them a Raspberry Pi and they'd host that for you (obviously for a monthly fee). There really isn't a shortage of places to host bare metal nor VMs.
    - kkarakk 8y ago
      >but I've never once known any ISP act upon them what happens when ISPs do start acting on them? they do in india.court ordered blocks on whole ranges of IPs
      - laumars 8y ago
        At risk of sounding like a broken record: > I did also list other options that wasn't reliant on your ISP as well. However that aside, you could nitpick solutions until the cows come home but it’s unproductive because self hosting is still more resilient from takedowns than a SaaS solution. And that’s what matters. Self hosting gives you options that you simply don’t have with SaaS. Frankly, I’m amazing anyone is even arguing against that point in the first place.

I don't understand what's wrong with this comment, but OP is right. We have seen cases where domain registries or hosting providers suspend accounts for violating their ToS, which is totally legal.

laumars 8y ago

Because you don’t need a hosting provider to self host. You don’t even need a domain name either. But in all honesty, there are hundreds of registrars and thousands of hosting providers around the world. Not all of them fall under US jurisdiction. But if you’re really really paranoid of getting shut down, there’s also .onion sites or distributed systems like IPFS. You can not prevent people from communicating on the internet any more than you can prevent people from writing letters.

paraditedc 8y ago
I am not sure where you live, but in many places you can't host your own servers from your room because of ISP restrictions. Also, there are not a lot of places where you can find data centers that rent servers out for personal uses.
- jmiserez 8y ago
  Even then it's only a question of money, and you can keep local backups without having to fear it'll all be gone tomorrow.
- laumars 8y ago
  > I am not sure where you live, but in many places you can't host your own servers from your room because of ISP restrictions. We have those restrictions in the UK but I've never once known any ISP act upon them. But in any case, I did also list other options that wasn't reliant on your ISP as well. > Also, there are not a lot of places where you can find data centers that rent servers out for personal uses. Sure there are. Hosting providers don't care if you're a business or private individual - they just want your cash. There's even serval places in Europe where you can send them a Raspberry Pi and they'd host that for you (obviously for a monthly fee). There really isn't a shortage of places to host bare metal nor VMs.
  - kkarakk 8y ago
    >but I've never once known any ISP act upon them what happens when ISPs do start acting on them? they do in india.court ordered blocks on whole ranges of IPs
    - laumars 8y ago
      At risk of sounding like a broken record: > I did also list other options that wasn't reliant on your ISP as well. However that aside, you could nitpick solutions until the cows come home but it’s unproductive because self hosting is still more resilient from takedowns than a SaaS solution. And that’s what matters. Self hosting gives you options that you simply don’t have with SaaS. Frankly, I’m amazing anyone is even arguing against that point in the first place.