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It's on Saowen.com now as well: https://www.saowen.com/a/3b4deadad676021a51cbcee5d5fc1ec4269045ca1c13c0323eaa1c0da982295f https://www.saowen.com/a/3b4deadad676

It's on Saowen.com now as well: https://www.saowen.com/a/3b4deadad676021a51cbcee5d5fc1ec4269045ca1c13c0323eaa1c0da982295f https://www.saowen.com/a/3b4deadad676021a51cbcee5d5fc1ec4269... I am vehemently against Saowen.com stealing content, but this is practically quite similar to how outline works (to remove css or bypass paywall), wonder why people (especially on HN) don't have issue with those: https://outline.com/DnVGCw https://outline.com/DnVGCw https://www.outline.com/dmca.html https://www.outline.com/dmca.html Edit: Replace "Not to defend the site" with "I am vehemently against Saowen.com stealing content"

chmod775 8y ago
Outline makes articles more readable instead of making them worse by adding a metric ton of ads and trackers. Outline is better from a moral standpoint and closer to say (but not quite) the internet archive.
- forgotmypw2 8y ago
  only if you have js enabled, otherwise it's a blank page
  - 9935c101ab17a66 8y ago
    I think what outline does would be much harder to implement without JS. As it stands, it seems to take parse the URL, fetch the page with a specific UA / some other magic, then automatically format it, without having to store anything on disk and without having to generate static html. Wouldn't this be much, much harder without using JS?
    - askmike 8y ago
      > without having to store anything on disk and without having to generate static html. Wouldn't this be much, much harder without using JS? While it's possible to do without storing anything on disk (strange requirement imo - but you can keep it in memory on the server if you really want), it's a lot more practical to do this work in the backend. And that's also what outline is doing: outline's frontend will do an AJAX request to outline's servers to actually fetch the article from a blog and serve that back[1]. So they could do this easily without frontend javascript. But I think the UX would suffer on many levels. Having a frontend in javascript allows outline to do better caching, better user experience, etc. The only downside to using JS is that it doesn't work for people still in 1995 and for people who disable their javascript. [1]: example fetch call: https://outlineapi.com/v3/get_article?id=6ps979 https://outlineapi.com/v3/get_article?id=6ps979 edit: fixed typos
- paraditedc 8y ago
  My bad. I totally missed the ads and trackers part (because I use uBlock Origin).
ryanlol 8y ago
>but this is practically quite similar to how outline works Not at all. Outline doesn't essentially present the content as their own.
- paraditedc 8y ago
  Neither does Saowen.com. Above the title you can see: > 2018-12-20 nickmchardy.com The difference is that the link in Saowen.com directs to https://www.saowen.com/source/site/nickmchardy_com https://www.saowen.com/source/site/nickmchardy_com, whereas the one on outline goes to the source.
  - ryanlol 8y ago
    I fundamentally disagree that this is effectively attributing the content.
deytempo 8y ago
The more they are talked about the higher google and other search engines will rank them
- paraditedc 8y ago
  I get the idea of back links. But I doubt our small discussion on HN would have much impact given it already copied thousands of posts at this point.

chmod775 8y ago

Outline makes articles more readable instead of making them worse by adding a metric ton of ads and trackers. Outline is better from a moral standpoint and closer to say (but not quite) the internet archive.

forgotmypw2 8y ago
only if you have js enabled, otherwise it's a blank page
- 9935c101ab17a66 8y ago
  I think what outline does would be much harder to implement without JS. As it stands, it seems to take parse the URL, fetch the page with a specific UA / some other magic, then automatically format it, without having to store anything on disk and without having to generate static html. Wouldn't this be much, much harder without using JS?
  - askmike 8y ago
    > without having to store anything on disk and without having to generate static html. Wouldn't this be much, much harder without using JS? While it's possible to do without storing anything on disk (strange requirement imo - but you can keep it in memory on the server if you really want), it's a lot more practical to do this work in the backend. And that's also what outline is doing: outline's frontend will do an AJAX request to outline's servers to actually fetch the article from a blog and serve that back[1]. So they could do this easily without frontend javascript. But I think the UX would suffer on many levels. Having a frontend in javascript allows outline to do better caching, better user experience, etc. The only downside to using JS is that it doesn't work for people still in 1995 and for people who disable their javascript. [1]: example fetch call: https://outlineapi.com/v3/get_article?id=6ps979 https://outlineapi.com/v3/get_article?id=6ps979 edit: fixed typos
paraditedc 8y ago
My bad. I totally missed the ads and trackers part (because I use uBlock Origin).

ryanlol 8y ago

>but this is practically quite similar to how outline works Not at all. Outline doesn't essentially present the content as their own.

paraditedc 8y ago
Neither does Saowen.com. Above the title you can see: > 2018-12-20 nickmchardy.com The difference is that the link in Saowen.com directs to https://www.saowen.com/source/site/nickmchardy_com https://www.saowen.com/source/site/nickmchardy_com, whereas the one on outline goes to the source.
- ryanlol 8y ago
  I fundamentally disagree that this is effectively attributing the content.

deytempo 8y ago

The more they are talked about the higher google and other search engines will rank them

paraditedc 8y ago
I get the idea of back links. But I doubt our small discussion on HN would have much impact given it already copied thousands of posts at this point.