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There are plenty of examples of companies facing a saturated market. The logical next step is to grow vertically as you cannot grow horizontally anymore. Some s

by mijamo 8y ago

There are plenty of examples of companies facing a saturated market. The logical next step is to grow vertically as you cannot grow horizontally anymore. Some succeed, many fail. In the long run, nearly all companies fail.

grecy 8y ago
> There are plenty of examples of companies facing a saturated market Globally though? Are there companies that have saturated the entire planet. Facebook use is BOOMING in the developing world. I've been moving around Africa though 30 countries for 2.5 yeas now - it's rare to meet someone that doesn't have Facebook and whatsapp.
- AstralStorm 8y ago
  At a certain point, Facebook might face being either broken up or outright nationalized in some places...
  - kazen44 8y ago
    the seperation of whatsapp and facebook has recently been up to debate. Mainly for apperently breaching terms of the acquisition. Whatsapp is so universal it should really be either a federated system or a public utility.
    - bigbugbag 8y ago
      Whatsapp is not universal, privacy aware people are keeping themselves and friends away from whatsapp. That being said what you are saing is basically that whatsapp should be something totally different, akin to riot.im I do agree though that a global public service of E2E encrypted communication should exist, but whatsapp is the last option I'd consider for such a service.
    - smush 8y ago
      I've never used Whatsapp. Been aware of it since its days as a dedicated button on Blackberry phones and webOS apps. I say that only to say that I'm not going to join it (Facebook owns it, c'mon mate) and those who allow me to influence their technology choices will not either.
  - UncleEntity 8y ago
    I'm actually curious how they could nationalize the "secret sauce" behind fb? Sure, they could take over their local data centers and hold their employees hostage but without the 100% backing of fb itself there's no way a foreign government could take over their business.
- bigbugbag 8y ago
  And this trend is to please the market by showing growing numbers of users due to developed countries having reached saturation and even increasing decline in the age range that matters (which lead to buying whatsapp and instagram at insane price tag as a defensive measure akin to panic). But this growing numbers of users happen to lower the ARPU (average revenue per user) as those users generates almost no revenue and there's no opportunity to change that anytime soon. There's a reason market capitalization of Google, Amazon, Apple, Facebook and Microsoft lost about 1000 billions dollars collectively and about 20% in the recent months. There is a form of awareness that these companies are overvalued much, that market are saturated and they are going to face the reality in the near future. Having a lot Africans using facebook is just adding to its operating cost at the moment, economic gains from Africa are going to China. China is taking over Africa's economy at an alarming pace, not facebook.
- chillacy 8y ago
  Coca Cola and McDonald’s maybe?
  - grecy 8y ago
    Coca Cola I'll give you a maybe, McDonald's? Hardly. It's only in a couple of the 54 countries in Africa. KFC is in a lot more, but still only a small fraction.

by mijamo 8y ago

grecy 8y ago

> There are plenty of examples of companies facing a saturated market Globally though? Are there companies that have saturated the entire planet. Facebook use is BOOMING in the developing world. I've been moving around Africa though 30 countries for 2.5 yeas now - it's rare to meet someone that doesn't have Facebook and whatsapp.

AstralStorm 8y ago
At a certain point, Facebook might face being either broken up or outright nationalized in some places...
- kazen44 8y ago
  the seperation of whatsapp and facebook has recently been up to debate. Mainly for apperently breaching terms of the acquisition. Whatsapp is so universal it should really be either a federated system or a public utility.
  - bigbugbag 8y ago
    Whatsapp is not universal, privacy aware people are keeping themselves and friends away from whatsapp. That being said what you are saing is basically that whatsapp should be something totally different, akin to riot.im I do agree though that a global public service of E2E encrypted communication should exist, but whatsapp is the last option I'd consider for such a service.
  - smush 8y ago
    I've never used Whatsapp. Been aware of it since its days as a dedicated button on Blackberry phones and webOS apps. I say that only to say that I'm not going to join it (Facebook owns it, c'mon mate) and those who allow me to influence their technology choices will not either.
- UncleEntity 8y ago
  I'm actually curious how they could nationalize the "secret sauce" behind fb? Sure, they could take over their local data centers and hold their employees hostage but without the 100% backing of fb itself there's no way a foreign government could take over their business.
bigbugbag 8y ago
And this trend is to please the market by showing growing numbers of users due to developed countries having reached saturation and even increasing decline in the age range that matters (which lead to buying whatsapp and instagram at insane price tag as a defensive measure akin to panic). But this growing numbers of users happen to lower the ARPU (average revenue per user) as those users generates almost no revenue and there's no opportunity to change that anytime soon. There's a reason market capitalization of Google, Amazon, Apple, Facebook and Microsoft lost about 1000 billions dollars collectively and about 20% in the recent months. There is a form of awareness that these companies are overvalued much, that market are saturated and they are going to face the reality in the near future. Having a lot Africans using facebook is just adding to its operating cost at the moment, economic gains from Africa are going to China. China is taking over Africa's economy at an alarming pace, not facebook.
chillacy 8y ago
Coca Cola and McDonald’s maybe?
- grecy 8y ago
  Coca Cola I'll give you a maybe, McDonald's? Hardly. It's only in a couple of the 54 countries in Africa. KFC is in a lot more, but still only a small fraction.