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I am probably the last person but I do everything in asp classic vbscript and SQL Server full time since 1998. Internet development can't just be for people wi

by gscott 8y ago

I am probably the last person but I do everything in asp classic vbscript and SQL Server full time since 1998. Internet development can't just be for people with expensive cs degrees.

Jaruzel 8y ago
Replying to you, and ocdtrekkie. I'm not alone! I know multiple coding languages but for fun coding (i.e. I'm not being paid to do it) I fallback to VB.Net as I just don't have to think about it, it just flows from my fingers. Once it's an EXE it's no different from C# and as no-one else has to support my code, who cares that it's in VB.Net. I actually don't understand the hate that VB.Net gets. I think maybe people are just biased based on their knowledge of bad VB code from the VB6 and earlier days. I'm also a huge fan of ASP. It's small, fast, and super simple to deploy onto any Windows server. If you are just writing a small web based tool for end users that's easy for people to maintain, then ASP is still definitely the way to go for Windows Web servers. By comparison, I've recently converted a few ASP tools to PHP that run on the same spec of hardware (under debian, not Windows) and PHP is definitely slower than ASP.
- cm2187 8y ago
  I love vb.net and used it extensively, but given the multiple writings on multiple walls, I switched to C#. While I prefer the vb syntax, I found that using two languages simultaneously is more cumbersome than using a syntax I like less for home projects. I find that muscle memory is a powerful tool.
oblio 8y ago
You mean you like the point and click feel to these tools? I know a few folks with mediocre high school degrees that are quite comfortable with command line tools, there's no clear divide saying that rich folks -> CLI, poor folks - > GUIs :)
- int_19h 8y ago
  Classic ASP and VBScript were never point-and-click. It was ASP.NET that introduced the visual designer etc.
  - oblio 8y ago
    Them I'm not sure I get the point. Why are classic ASP and VBScript low brow?
    - gscott 8y ago
      At the time of their development there were not many best practices yet. Microsoft promised a version 4.0 and in the process morphed that development into Asp .Net instead.
    - int_19h 8y ago
      Think of it as PHP with VB syntax, and without much of a standard library.
  - teh_klev 8y ago
    Visual Interdev[0], permitted folks to build Classic ASP apps using drag'n'drop. It wasn't quite as sophisticated as Visual Studio.NET, but the basics were there. I never used it myself because there was too much "magic" and preferred to knock out my ASP using TextPad. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_InterDev https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_InterDev
mevile 8y ago
Hey they're great languages and if it works for you, it's great. I would just be conscious of any security vulnerabilities using older software, but outside of that, if it works it works.

by gscott 8y ago

I am probably the last person but I do everything in asp classic vbscript and SQL Server full time since 1998. Internet development can't just be for people with expensive cs degrees.

Jaruzel 8y ago

Replying to you, and ocdtrekkie. I'm not alone! I know multiple coding languages but for fun coding (i.e. I'm not being paid to do it) I fallback to VB.Net as I just don't have to think about it, it just flows from my fingers. Once it's an EXE it's no different from C# and as no-one else has to support my code, who cares that it's in VB.Net. I actually don't understand the hate that VB.Net gets. I think maybe people are just biased based on their knowledge of bad VB code from the VB6 and earlier days. I'm also a huge fan of ASP. It's small, fast, and super simple to deploy onto any Windows server. If you are just writing a small web based tool for end users that's easy for people to maintain, then ASP is still definitely the way to go for Windows Web servers. By comparison, I've recently converted a few ASP tools to PHP that run on the same spec of hardware (under debian, not Windows) and PHP is definitely slower than ASP.

cm2187 8y ago
I love vb.net and used it extensively, but given the multiple writings on multiple walls, I switched to C#. While I prefer the vb syntax, I found that using two languages simultaneously is more cumbersome than using a syntax I like less for home projects. I find that muscle memory is a powerful tool.

oblio 8y ago

You mean you like the point and click feel to these tools? I know a few folks with mediocre high school degrees that are quite comfortable with command line tools, there's no clear divide saying that rich folks -> CLI, poor folks - > GUIs :)

int_19h 8y ago
Classic ASP and VBScript were never point-and-click. It was ASP.NET that introduced the visual designer etc.
- oblio 8y ago
  Them I'm not sure I get the point. Why are classic ASP and VBScript low brow?
  - gscott 8y ago
    At the time of their development there were not many best practices yet. Microsoft promised a version 4.0 and in the process morphed that development into Asp .Net instead.
  - int_19h 8y ago
    Think of it as PHP with VB syntax, and without much of a standard library.
- teh_klev 8y ago
  Visual Interdev[0], permitted folks to build Classic ASP apps using drag'n'drop. It wasn't quite as sophisticated as Visual Studio.NET, but the basics were there. I never used it myself because there was too much "magic" and preferred to knock out my ASP using TextPad. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_InterDev https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_InterDev

mevile 8y ago

Hey they're great languages and if it works for you, it's great. I would just be conscious of any security vulnerabilities using older software, but outside of that, if it works it works.