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This is just an anecdotal alternative but a lot of my Australian co-workers are eschewing all the US political turmoil and are still choosing to emigrate to Ame

by tphan 8y ago

This is just an anecdotal alternative but a lot of my Australian co-workers are eschewing all the US political turmoil and are still choosing to emigrate to America.

ianhowson 8y ago
Australians get easy access to the US through the E-3 visa. For countries that need an H1-B, Canada's visas are much easier to obtain and live with.
beerlord 8y ago
It is well known that a lot of Indians move to Australia just to eventually get access to the E3 to work in America. Then they get rejected by the Americans for having insufficient roots in Australia! Be careful what you wish for Canada. Indian IT workers will simply drive down wages in the IT sector, and the quality of work received will not be world-class.
- pl1234 8y ago
  also the indian men are widely regarded as unattractive and tend to repel women away from the field.
- ydushyant 8y ago
  you are delusional...
- amf12 8y ago
  > Indian IT workers will simply drive down wages in the IT sector, and the quality of work received will not be world-class. But unlike the US they are not randomly selecting immigrants based on a lottery. They have a point based system which lets decently talented immigrants in. Also, immigrants are free to move around and switch jobs. Canada is doing a lot of the things which US is doing wrong.
  - beerlord 8y ago
    On the surface, the points system is how they do it, yes. However, the reality is that the system is completely rorted and broken. You can be completely lacklustre, and as long as you study at any Australian college, University or degree mill, then stay in the country long enough by stringing visas together, you can eventually get Permanent Residency. Most people study in Australia for work purposes, since the student visa allows anyone to work 20 hours a week (and most work beyond that, paid cash). It is for this reason that Australia has 600,000 - 800,000 international students at any one time, the second highest of any country on Earth behind the USA (1 million). The Australian education system is simply in the business of selling Australian Passports to foreigners. Read this account from an Economics Professor in Australia: https://twitter.com/DrCameronMurray/status/1066464084244058112 https://twitter.com/DrCameronMurray/status/10664640842440581... Some excerpts: "12. Halving the number of international students would keep all the good students, boost standards for all, and remove the visa scams. 13. But this would remove $4.5billion per year of revenue to the universities. (7/n) 14. In sum, universities are being degraded so they can be used as a back-door immigration program, and no one at the senior levels of universities or major political parties want to change it."
  - namelezz 8y ago
    > They have a point based system which lets decently talented immigrants in I keep hearing about Indian tech talents but I haven't met one in real life yet. The ones I know are very good at nepotism. They usually exaggerate each other's works and belittle non-Indians' works. At my workplace, many even take credits of others. I understand that they are doing all of these to reinforce the rumor of Indian tech talents and to pressure managers to hire more Indians. However, I must admit that I haven't met one with actual technical skills and decent characters. IMO, many are political talents.
    - amf12 8y ago
      > I keep hearing about Indian tech talents but I haven't met one in real life yet. Then you need to work at a better place :) Unfortunately, its very easy to form a bad opinion about Indian tech talent by working at places which hire the cheap talent. When companies offshore or hire contractors, they forget a key principle which applies everywhere in life, 'you get what you pay for'.
ksh2 8y ago
There is always turmoil. Turmoil is not a new thing. What do you think it felt like moving here after the dot com bust or after 9/11 + George Bush or after the 2008 financial meltdown. Whats happening at macro levels are out of your control. Imho people who are driven and persistent succeed no matter where they go.
pjc50 8y ago
You can eschew turmoil, but that doesn't mean it will eschew you, as my EU co-workers are discovering in the UK.

by tphan 8y ago

This is just an anecdotal alternative but a lot of my Australian co-workers are eschewing all the US political turmoil and are still choosing to emigrate to America.

ianhowson 8y ago

Australians get easy access to the US through the E-3 visa. For countries that need an H1-B, Canada's visas are much easier to obtain and live with.

beerlord 8y ago

It is well known that a lot of Indians move to Australia just to eventually get access to the E3 to work in America. Then they get rejected by the Americans for having insufficient roots in Australia! Be careful what you wish for Canada. Indian IT workers will simply drive down wages in the IT sector, and the quality of work received will not be world-class.

pl1234 8y ago
also the indian men are widely regarded as unattractive and tend to repel women away from the field.
ydushyant 8y ago
you are delusional...
amf12 8y ago
> Indian IT workers will simply drive down wages in the IT sector, and the quality of work received will not be world-class. But unlike the US they are not randomly selecting immigrants based on a lottery. They have a point based system which lets decently talented immigrants in. Also, immigrants are free to move around and switch jobs. Canada is doing a lot of the things which US is doing wrong.
- beerlord 8y ago
  On the surface, the points system is how they do it, yes. However, the reality is that the system is completely rorted and broken. You can be completely lacklustre, and as long as you study at any Australian college, University or degree mill, then stay in the country long enough by stringing visas together, you can eventually get Permanent Residency. Most people study in Australia for work purposes, since the student visa allows anyone to work 20 hours a week (and most work beyond that, paid cash). It is for this reason that Australia has 600,000 - 800,000 international students at any one time, the second highest of any country on Earth behind the USA (1 million). The Australian education system is simply in the business of selling Australian Passports to foreigners. Read this account from an Economics Professor in Australia: https://twitter.com/DrCameronMurray/status/1066464084244058112 https://twitter.com/DrCameronMurray/status/10664640842440581... Some excerpts: "12. Halving the number of international students would keep all the good students, boost standards for all, and remove the visa scams. 13. But this would remove $4.5billion per year of revenue to the universities. (7/n) 14. In sum, universities are being degraded so they can be used as a back-door immigration program, and no one at the senior levels of universities or major political parties want to change it."
- namelezz 8y ago
  > They have a point based system which lets decently talented immigrants in I keep hearing about Indian tech talents but I haven't met one in real life yet. The ones I know are very good at nepotism. They usually exaggerate each other's works and belittle non-Indians' works. At my workplace, many even take credits of others. I understand that they are doing all of these to reinforce the rumor of Indian tech talents and to pressure managers to hire more Indians. However, I must admit that I haven't met one with actual technical skills and decent characters. IMO, many are political talents.
  - amf12 8y ago
    > I keep hearing about Indian tech talents but I haven't met one in real life yet. Then you need to work at a better place :) Unfortunately, its very easy to form a bad opinion about Indian tech talent by working at places which hire the cheap talent. When companies offshore or hire contractors, they forget a key principle which applies everywhere in life, 'you get what you pay for'.

ksh2 8y ago

There is always turmoil. Turmoil is not a new thing. What do you think it felt like moving here after the dot com bust or after 9/11 + George Bush or after the 2008 financial meltdown. Whats happening at macro levels are out of your control. Imho people who are driven and persistent succeed no matter where they go.

pjc50 8y ago

You can eschew turmoil, but that doesn't mean it will eschew you, as my EU co-workers are discovering in the UK.