> The real question is at what point do people start actually applying what they learn in these serious discussions in how they live their own lives? But they

> The real question is at what point do people start actually applying what they learn in these serious discussions in how they live their own lives? But they can't. People live in systems with affordances and restrictions. What about their lives can a lower-middle-class family living in an outer Sydney suburb meaningfully change? Little, and only at the margins (a bit of recycling, some solar panels). Certainly not even approaching the ballpark of what our situation requires. Any strategy for change demanding that we should on average become exceptional is mathematically doomed to failure.