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No prior records. ... This sucks. His ability to get work will be greatly diminished because he thought he could game some poorly structured Amazon system. I m

No prior records. ... This sucks. His ability to get work will be greatly diminished because he thought he could game some poorly structured Amazon system. I mean, I know it's still his fault. Still, I wish people would take time to think about these kinds of decisions though.

wowzap 8y ago
I hope railroading this guy assures that none of my amazon packages are ever stolen in this kind of scheme again. I don't feel bad for him whatsoever. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
- RodericDay 8y ago
  It's funny how bloodthirsty people are when it comes to someone being ultra-punished stealing a consumer product, but I bet when people talk about wage theft and capitalist malfeasance this guy turns into a corporate lawyer.
  - mynameisvlad 8y ago
    I mean, the two scenarios are completely different. Yes, they both suck, but it's almost impossible to compare stealing physical property one owns and "stealing" the potential difference in wage between two individuals.
    - RodericDay 8y ago
      ...that's not what wage theft is
- scrollaway 8y ago
  (Replying to the dead comment) People are bloodthirsty because stealing packages is so much more personal than, say, shoplifting. The mail is personal. The shit you get shipped is personal. Especially around christmas. "Who the fuck steals the gift for my nana?" And it's like, people don't usually even know what they're stealing. There's a damage&reward imbalance between the person who loses something of great potential sentimental value (it's not always amazon packages, sometimes it's stuff people send each other), just so that some petty thief has a shot at having something they care about / can make a profit on. I'm with everyone else on this, fuck people who steal packages. Those and bike thieves.
  - soneil 8y ago
    It seems sensible enough to me. If you steal $item from a shop, you're a shoplifter. You stole it from an abstract corporation. If you take the same $item from /my/ doorstep, you stole it from /me/. I don't eat the losses, Amazon do. So technically you stole it from them. But just as my insurance company eat the losses if you steal my car, I'm still going to internalize it as "you stole my $item." And I can't help but judge that much more harshly than shoplifting from some faceless name.
  - masonic 8y ago
    stealing packages is so much more personal than, say, shoplifting When it occurs at my house, and my name and address the thief clearly knows, it magnifies personal risk in a way that shoplifting doesn't.
  - mikeash 8y ago
    It’s also just plain inconvenient. Shoplifting doesn’t affect me as a customer at all, aside from the ambient rate eventually being reflected in prices. But when my package gets stolen, I have to report it and get a replacement sent out, wait for it, hope that one doesn’t get stolen.... It’s small potatoes in the grand scheme of things, but it’s definitely more than retail theft.
  - 0db532a0 8y ago
    Who knows. He doesn’t have to know the specific value. Maybe the thief has analysed the data in some way and has calculated the expected value of a package.
- cronix 8y ago
  I agree. It's too bad we don't collectively apply that same, sane logic to wall street, banks and the corporations that led to '08 due to their "games." I wonder which is a larger problem...
  - CryptoPunk 8y ago
    The problem is we collectively employ the logic of "punish them or subsidize them with bail outs". A free market, without a lender of last resort or FDIC, will effectively punish those responsible for financial crises.
hnauz 8y ago
>His ability to get work will be greatly diminished because he thought he could game some poorly structured Amazon system. His ability to get work will be greatly diminished because he is a thief.
- tyingq 8y ago
  Second degree theft is a Class A misdemeanor in Oregon. It will likely have little, if any, effect on his future prospects.
  - EpicEng 8y ago
    Given that we're all talking about it I have my doubts. This is all one Google search away.
dunpeal 8y ago
> This sucks. His ability to get work will be greatly diminished because he thought he could game some poorly structured Amazon system. Poor him. All he did was abuse the trust that was placed in him by his employer. And now it will be harder for him to get a new employer to place trust in him. How unfair.
- tyingq 8y ago
  Pedantic, but Amazon isn't his employer. Flex is B2B contract work. The drivers pay for their gas, self employment tax, FICA, health insurance, etc.
  - CryptoPunk 8y ago
    So he robbed his client, not his employer.
geetfun 8y ago
You know, it’s tough. We don’t know this guy’s backstory, but we do live in a society where there are rules. His decision will have personal repercussions. Unfortunately that’s the way things are. And yes, other people steal too but never so much see a fine or jail time, but that’s the way the world works.
- sokoloff 8y ago
  Why is it unfortunate that bad judgment or weak moral compass has repercussions? I feel like it's much worse overall when those things have no repercussions...
  - projektir 8y ago
    Probably because it's obvious to everyone in this instance that this is not a super powerful person. Lots of people have a weak moral compass and get away with it. It comes down to power, not the weak moral compass.
EpicEng 8y ago
Give me a break He's a thief who tried to rip off his employer. You know which sort of behavior will stop future employers from trusting you? One guess.
williamscales 8y ago
There is no such Amazon system. This was merely his lie when he was caught. Don't feel bad.

wowzap 8y ago

I hope railroading this guy assures that none of my amazon packages are ever stolen in this kind of scheme again. I don't feel bad for him whatsoever. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

RodericDay 8y ago
It's funny how bloodthirsty people are when it comes to someone being ultra-punished stealing a consumer product, but I bet when people talk about wage theft and capitalist malfeasance this guy turns into a corporate lawyer.
- mynameisvlad 8y ago
  I mean, the two scenarios are completely different. Yes, they both suck, but it's almost impossible to compare stealing physical property one owns and "stealing" the potential difference in wage between two individuals.
  - RodericDay 8y ago
    ...that's not what wage theft is
scrollaway 8y ago
(Replying to the dead comment) People are bloodthirsty because stealing packages is so much more personal than, say, shoplifting. The mail is personal. The shit you get shipped is personal. Especially around christmas. "Who the fuck steals the gift for my nana?" And it's like, people don't usually even know what they're stealing. There's a damage&reward imbalance between the person who loses something of great potential sentimental value (it's not always amazon packages, sometimes it's stuff people send each other), just so that some petty thief has a shot at having something they care about / can make a profit on. I'm with everyone else on this, fuck people who steal packages. Those and bike thieves.
- soneil 8y ago
  It seems sensible enough to me. If you steal $item from a shop, you're a shoplifter. You stole it from an abstract corporation. If you take the same $item from /my/ doorstep, you stole it from /me/. I don't eat the losses, Amazon do. So technically you stole it from them. But just as my insurance company eat the losses if you steal my car, I'm still going to internalize it as "you stole my $item." And I can't help but judge that much more harshly than shoplifting from some faceless name.
- masonic 8y ago
  stealing packages is so much more personal than, say, shoplifting When it occurs at my house, and my name and address the thief clearly knows, it magnifies personal risk in a way that shoplifting doesn't.
- mikeash 8y ago
  It’s also just plain inconvenient. Shoplifting doesn’t affect me as a customer at all, aside from the ambient rate eventually being reflected in prices. But when my package gets stolen, I have to report it and get a replacement sent out, wait for it, hope that one doesn’t get stolen.... It’s small potatoes in the grand scheme of things, but it’s definitely more than retail theft.
- 0db532a0 8y ago
  Who knows. He doesn’t have to know the specific value. Maybe the thief has analysed the data in some way and has calculated the expected value of a package.
cronix 8y ago
I agree. It's too bad we don't collectively apply that same, sane logic to wall street, banks and the corporations that led to '08 due to their "games." I wonder which is a larger problem...
- CryptoPunk 8y ago
  The problem is we collectively employ the logic of "punish them or subsidize them with bail outs". A free market, without a lender of last resort or FDIC, will effectively punish those responsible for financial crises.

hnauz 8y ago

>His ability to get work will be greatly diminished because he thought he could game some poorly structured Amazon system. His ability to get work will be greatly diminished because he is a thief.

tyingq 8y ago
Second degree theft is a Class A misdemeanor in Oregon. It will likely have little, if any, effect on his future prospects.
- EpicEng 8y ago
  Given that we're all talking about it I have my doubts. This is all one Google search away.

dunpeal 8y ago

> This sucks. His ability to get work will be greatly diminished because he thought he could game some poorly structured Amazon system. Poor him. All he did was abuse the trust that was placed in him by his employer. And now it will be harder for him to get a new employer to place trust in him. How unfair.

tyingq 8y ago
Pedantic, but Amazon isn't his employer. Flex is B2B contract work. The drivers pay for their gas, self employment tax, FICA, health insurance, etc.
- CryptoPunk 8y ago
  So he robbed his client, not his employer.

geetfun 8y ago

You know, it’s tough. We don’t know this guy’s backstory, but we do live in a society where there are rules. His decision will have personal repercussions. Unfortunately that’s the way things are. And yes, other people steal too but never so much see a fine or jail time, but that’s the way the world works.

sokoloff 8y ago
Why is it unfortunate that bad judgment or weak moral compass has repercussions? I feel like it's much worse overall when those things have no repercussions...
- projektir 8y ago
  Probably because it's obvious to everyone in this instance that this is not a super powerful person. Lots of people have a weak moral compass and get away with it. It comes down to power, not the weak moral compass.

EpicEng 8y ago

Give me a break He's a thief who tried to rip off his employer. You know which sort of behavior will stop future employers from trusting you? One guess.

williamscales 8y ago

There is no such Amazon system. This was merely his lie when he was caught. Don't feel bad.