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Let's reconsider this position using some other example: Healthy on Heroin. HOH HOH is not BS. Here's the deal. For lots and lots of people, being not addicte
by towelr34dy 8y ago
Let's reconsider this position using some other example:
Healthy on Heroin. HOH
HOH is not BS. Here's the deal. For lots and lots of people, being not addicted to heroin is very very hard. So hard, that even though there is enormous social pressure that they've had basically from ~18 years old to however old they are, they still haven't managed to become clean for any significant length of time.
HOH is a reaction that says "What if we accepted that some people are just going to be heroin addicts, and then tried to come up with ways of being as healthy as possible given the circumstances". You may not like the packaging that HOH comes wrapped up in, and the most vocal proponents of it are often the least interested in making it palatable to you. But it's not BS.
Consider that there is essentially nothing that medical science has for people who are chronically addicted to heroin except a detox. Shit is hard, yo.
- QuotedForTruth 8y agoYou chose a pretty poor example. Have you ever heard of methadone? Its literally accepting that someone will be addicted to opiates for a long time or life and then giving them a healthier alternative that doesnt try to change that. https://www.crchealth.com/addiction/heroin-addiction-treatment/heroin-detox/methadone_life/ https://www.crchealth.com/addiction/heroin-addiction-treatme...
- towelr34dy 8y agoYeah, see, no one is bothered by that because no one is saying: Be proud of your true heroin addicted self. Show it to the world. IF they don't accept your heroin addiction THEY ARE wrong. See. If any movement said that, I'd be against it. Because they are trying to remove stigma from something that SHOULD HAVE IT.
- bitcrusher 8y agoLet's reconsider this position using some other example: Such a shame that the "healthy at any genetic condition" BS is so popular these days. Literally killing people.
- firethief 8y agoGenetic conditions cannot (currently) be changed, so not trying to change them is a reasonable approach.
- towelr34dy 8y agoAddiction to opioids is also partly genetic. Should being a heroin addict be fine? The healthy while fat movement specifically tries to remove a stigma that IMO should not be removed.
- nostrademons 8y agoUnsure if you're trying for a parody here, but HOH isn't actually that absurd. Numerous public health policies - methadone clinics, needle-exchange programs, Narcan syringes on every EMT - are based on the assumption that addicts are gonna be addicts, and until they are in a place in their life where they can do the work needed to kick the addiction, they might as well not be spreading HIV, committing petty crimes to support their habit, living on the street, or dying. All of these interventions make it more likely that they will eventually get to a place in their life where they will be able to do the work to actually kick the habit.
- towelr34dy 8y agoYou are stretching VERY far. There is a segment of the population that is addicted to a substance that is illegal. They die because they hide to satiate their addiction. If fast food were illegal, and fat people sat under bridges eating fast food and occupationally chocked on an illegal KFC chicken bone, I'd advocate for fatty eating centers. Comparing saving lives to removing stigma is... beyond absurd.
- Afton 8y agoI don't know what you think you are proving here. I accept everything you just wrote and agree with it 100 percent (except for detox. I think I would say for heroin we now have buprenorphine which might be useful way to manage this specific addiction, but I'm not claiming to be an expert on heroin addiction).
- towelr34dy 8y agoExpect fat people can eat KFC in the open. Fat people aren't being sent to jail for being fat. Heroin addicts are being judged and looked down on. No one is fighting that. No one is saying 'be proud ye heroin addicts'. I have hear fat people basically say 'be proud of ye 'curves'"