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> being not fat is very very hard Irrelevant. It is not more healthy to be fat than it is to be not-fat because it's hard. Acceptance is not going to change

> being not fat is very very hard Irrelevant. It is not more healthy to be fat than it is to be not-fat because it's hard. Acceptance is not going to change a damn thing about the health risks inherent with being fat. You have all my sympathy. One of my closest friends is a very large guy, and I want him to be around when we get old, but the stats tell me that's less and less likely every year he stays obese. Me accepting him (and I do) won't keep him on this planet. :(

soneca 8y ago
Damage control might be a smart way to improve health.
- diminoten 8y ago
  The data doesn't say it is. Sure you can improve on other axes, but weight is a leading indicator of mortality. I wish you were right, it'd be great to be able to be obese and healthy, but that just isn't how it is.
  - soneca 8y ago
    That's not what damage control is. I am not claiming that there is a way to be fat and absolutely healthy. I am saying that there are ways to be healthier while being fat. That is damage control, like the ones applied to drug addiction. And that is proved to be a good decision in some cases.
    - diminoten 8y ago
      > And that is proved to be a good decision in some cases. No it hasn't, because it doesn't exist as you describe. It exists as I've described. Everything you can do, while obese, you can also do while not-obese.
Afton 8y ago
Why do you think I'm fat? I'm not > Irrelevant. It is not more healthy to be fat than it is to be not-fat because it's hard. Acceptance is not going to change a damn thing about the health risks inherent with being fat. You are entirely missing the point. The issue is "given that I'm going to be fat, perhaps I should work with what I have, rather than beating myself up over the fact that I'm fat". Once you do that, you can start to look at what else you might change about your life that would improve your health.
- diminoten 8y ago
  "You" here being a stand-in for anyone reading this who is fat. It's not really relevant if you're fat. And I'm not missing the point, you're making up some kind of generalization that doesn't A) fit the facts as we know them, and B) doesn't actually address the issue. You're saying, "What else can I do to be healthy?" but you can/should do those things as well as work on losing weight. Giving up on losing weight doesn't lower your risk at all. You can stop beating yourself up about being fat and keep trying to lose weight, as well. I think we can agree the moralizations aren't helping here, but you can't wish away the unhealthiness of obesity, like this stupid movement tries to do.

soneca 8y ago

Damage control might be a smart way to improve health.

diminoten 8y ago
The data doesn't say it is. Sure you can improve on other axes, but weight is a leading indicator of mortality. I wish you were right, it'd be great to be able to be obese and healthy, but that just isn't how it is.
- soneca 8y ago
  That's not what damage control is. I am not claiming that there is a way to be fat and absolutely healthy. I am saying that there are ways to be healthier while being fat. That is damage control, like the ones applied to drug addiction. And that is proved to be a good decision in some cases.
  - diminoten 8y ago
    > And that is proved to be a good decision in some cases. No it hasn't, because it doesn't exist as you describe. It exists as I've described. Everything you can do, while obese, you can also do while not-obese.

Afton 8y ago

Why do you think I'm fat? I'm not > Irrelevant. It is not more healthy to be fat than it is to be not-fat because it's hard. Acceptance is not going to change a damn thing about the health risks inherent with being fat. You are entirely missing the point. The issue is "given that I'm going to be fat, perhaps I should work with what I have, rather than beating myself up over the fact that I'm fat". Once you do that, you can start to look at what else you might change about your life that would improve your health.

diminoten 8y ago
"You" here being a stand-in for anyone reading this who is fat. It's not really relevant if you're fat. And I'm not missing the point, you're making up some kind of generalization that doesn't A) fit the facts as we know them, and B) doesn't actually address the issue. You're saying, "What else can I do to be healthy?" but you can/should do those things as well as work on losing weight. Giving up on losing weight doesn't lower your risk at all. You can stop beating yourself up about being fat and keep trying to lose weight, as well. I think we can agree the moralizations aren't helping here, but you can't wish away the unhealthiness of obesity, like this stupid movement tries to do.