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I think it would be about rates of increase or decrease rather than overall numbers. If it were about overall numbers, well, its pretty clear we've ended a toba

I think it would be about rates of increase or decrease rather than overall numbers. If it were about overall numbers, well, its pretty clear we've ended a tobacco epidemic over the past 60 years. Not sure if any one else here remembers cigarettes in restaurants, but imagine spelling camels while getting your salad bar refill at Sizzler. We've come a long way.

snek 8y ago
That doesn't mean we're finished. Pretending this problem is solved will just result in it getting out of hand again.
- RosanaAnaDana 8y ago
  What do you mean by 'finished' and 'solved'? You speak as if there is some sort of societal goal in mind here. You've clearly got an agenda here and I think you should make it clear that you've got a goal in mind here regarding whats 'right' and 'wrong' for other people to do with their time, lives, and money. If people want to smoke, let them smoke. Is it bad for them? Yeah. Does it have a negative cost against society? Yeah. But its a slight cost that I'm willing to bear to uphold personal liberty and freedom of choice. Overall, smoking rates are pretty low, and we're probably on the other side of the overall costs smoking writ-large will have on society. So its fine. If people still want to smoke, warn them of the negatives, then let them smoke.
  - snek 8y ago
    I assume the societal goal is to help young people, whose brains aren't yet able to make sound decisions (https://www.aacap.org/aacap/families_and_youth/facts_for_families/fff-guide/the-teen-brain-behavior-problem-solving-and-decision-making-095.aspx https://www.aacap.org/aacap/families_and_youth/facts_for_fam...) and keep them from doing things which might really hurt them in life like developing nicotine or alcohol dependency. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4519837/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4519837/)
    - ApolloFortyNine 8y ago
      They already require people be over 18, maybe the punishment should be higher on those who are supplying children with them? The reason I'm so against more regulation is that the current trend in the war against ecigs is to ban pretty much any good tasting flavors (all but menthol), and I don't like that what entails for our future. I don't even vape, but the idea that the majority will go around banning what they don't like "for the good of the children" is something I refuse to support. It's not going to stop if it gets started.

snek 8y ago

That doesn't mean we're finished. Pretending this problem is solved will just result in it getting out of hand again.

RosanaAnaDana 8y ago
What do you mean by 'finished' and 'solved'? You speak as if there is some sort of societal goal in mind here. You've clearly got an agenda here and I think you should make it clear that you've got a goal in mind here regarding whats 'right' and 'wrong' for other people to do with their time, lives, and money. If people want to smoke, let them smoke. Is it bad for them? Yeah. Does it have a negative cost against society? Yeah. But its a slight cost that I'm willing to bear to uphold personal liberty and freedom of choice. Overall, smoking rates are pretty low, and we're probably on the other side of the overall costs smoking writ-large will have on society. So its fine. If people still want to smoke, warn them of the negatives, then let them smoke.
- snek 8y ago
  I assume the societal goal is to help young people, whose brains aren't yet able to make sound decisions (https://www.aacap.org/aacap/families_and_youth/facts_for_families/fff-guide/the-teen-brain-behavior-problem-solving-and-decision-making-095.aspx https://www.aacap.org/aacap/families_and_youth/facts_for_fam...) and keep them from doing things which might really hurt them in life like developing nicotine or alcohol dependency. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4519837/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4519837/)
  - ApolloFortyNine 8y ago
    They already require people be over 18, maybe the punishment should be higher on those who are supplying children with them? The reason I'm so against more regulation is that the current trend in the war against ecigs is to ban pretty much any good tasting flavors (all but menthol), and I don't like that what entails for our future. I don't even vape, but the idea that the majority will go around banning what they don't like "for the good of the children" is something I refuse to support. It's not going to stop if it gets started.