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And it came out by a US border militia report. I count the hours till it will be picked up by the US political system. DER SPIEGEL is not exactly a conservative

by oaiey 8y ago

And it came out by a US border militia report. I count the hours till it will be picked up by the US political system. DER SPIEGEL is not exactly a conservative magazine.

ajmurmann 8y ago
Pretty much nothing in Germany is conservative by US standards.
- doener 8y ago
  The AfD is our „Trump party.“
  - ajmurmann 8y ago
    They are. But even they wouldn't ban abortion, charge for universities or massively cut down on social welfare or allow anyone to buy assault rifles, right?
    - levosmetalo 8y ago
      Hey, they may be nationalists, but they are socialists too ;)
    - doener 8y ago
      Yes, that is right. Although there is this wing in the party, too. The libertarian wing (Alice Weidel) as well as the christian fundamentalist (Beatrix von Storch).
    - matt4077 8y ago
      Banning abortion, or at least severely restricting it, is actually one of their stated goals. They also have some "gun enthusiasts". Just today, a scandal hit the papers of an AfD member of parliament participating in a South African right-wing militia's gun training camp (paying with public funds). Their position on welfare is ambiguous, in actually quite a Trumpian manner: they do profess a wish to care for (white, male) pensioners, for example. But they also regularly rail against "welfare queens", or criminals receiving welfare after release. And of course any use of public funds for people with skin color different from their approved list of Pantone 343 "off-white" to 542 "brown(-ish), but only because I just got back from three weeks on the beach, I swear".
    - PavlovsCat 8y ago
      No, but just like Trump wouldn't condemn Neo-Nazis, these are the people they "happen to" end up alongside with sometimes: http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/chemnitz-chronologie-der-ausschreitungen-fotostrecke-163492-7.html http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/chemnitz-chronologie-der-a... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD_ZdP79O84&t=2m https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD_ZdP79O84&t=2m Hooligans salute Hitler, AfD supporters and "concerned citizens" go "tee-hee, how bold". That's the AfD, and that's what matters. edit: oh, and the harmless image that's spread here on HN, combined with silent downvotes, that's just great. If you don't want a response, don't belittle a party you apparently know nothing about, in a country you don't even speak the language of.
    - _ph_ 8y ago
      Actually they argued e.g. for removing the unemployment insureance.
  - levosmetalo 8y ago
    AfD policies would be considered as "too liberal" by the core Trump supporters. After all, the leader of their party is a woman, that lives in foreign country, married to another woman, that is south asian.
  - blattimwind 8y ago
    In a number of positions even the AfD is left of the American political mainstream.
  - baxtr 8y ago
    I love HN because we can keep politics pretty much out. This comment is not helping to preserve that culture.
    - PavlovsCat 8y ago
      What do you want to discuss here, then? What could you be interested in about this story if politics is a no go for you? > And it came out by a US border militia report. I count the hours till it will be picked up by the US political system. DER SPIEGEL is not exactly a conservative magazine. This observation is true, it's also important -- the very story itself is political, in just the kind of stories that were fabricated. Or maybe the list is cherry picked I don't know, but going by what I see, politics is already part and parcel of this anyway. If people then on top of that make observations about a country they don't seem to really know much about, I think it's fair enough to correct them. To say nothing is conservative in Germany compared to US standards is like saying in Japan, all people love cartoons, and watch cartoons instead of reading books.
- slededit 8y ago
  The laws around business (and noise) on Sunday’s seem very traditional. A lot of US conservatives would love to bring that back.
detaro 8y ago
It's not particularly left-leaning either though, unless it's changed a lot recently.
- doener 8y ago
  DER SPIEGEL has a tradition of left and right-wing reporting alongside, but always critical of the people in power. Spiegel‘s founder Rudolf Augstein is famous for his proverb „Im Zweifel links“, though — which translate to: „When in doubt: left-leaning.“
  - matt4077 8y ago
    That's an excellent description. It's quite a feat how I think every single chancellor ended up hating them with a passion, especially considering there weren't any Chancellors after the first with much of any real ideological differences to the SPIEGEL. As but two examples: the last two chancellors and SPIEGEL are essentially identical on the ideological scale: Merkel is slightly left of her center-right party. Schröder was slightly right of his centre-left party. The SPIEGEL is squarely in the mainstream, possibly a bit to the left on social issues than on economics.
    - realityking 8y ago
      > It's quite a feat how I think every single chancellor ended up hating them with a passion Being hated by people in power from both sides of the political spectrum sounds like a mark of honor for a journalist.

by oaiey 8y ago

And it came out by a US border militia report. I count the hours till it will be picked up by the US political system. DER SPIEGEL is not exactly a conservative magazine.

ajmurmann 8y ago

Pretty much nothing in Germany is conservative by US standards.

doener 8y ago
The AfD is our „Trump party.“
- ajmurmann 8y ago
  They are. But even they wouldn't ban abortion, charge for universities or massively cut down on social welfare or allow anyone to buy assault rifles, right?
  - levosmetalo 8y ago
    Hey, they may be nationalists, but they are socialists too ;)
  - doener 8y ago
    Yes, that is right. Although there is this wing in the party, too. The libertarian wing (Alice Weidel) as well as the christian fundamentalist (Beatrix von Storch).
  - matt4077 8y ago
    Banning abortion, or at least severely restricting it, is actually one of their stated goals. They also have some "gun enthusiasts". Just today, a scandal hit the papers of an AfD member of parliament participating in a South African right-wing militia's gun training camp (paying with public funds). Their position on welfare is ambiguous, in actually quite a Trumpian manner: they do profess a wish to care for (white, male) pensioners, for example. But they also regularly rail against "welfare queens", or criminals receiving welfare after release. And of course any use of public funds for people with skin color different from their approved list of Pantone 343 "off-white" to 542 "brown(-ish), but only because I just got back from three weeks on the beach, I swear".
  - PavlovsCat 8y ago
    No, but just like Trump wouldn't condemn Neo-Nazis, these are the people they "happen to" end up alongside with sometimes: http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/chemnitz-chronologie-der-ausschreitungen-fotostrecke-163492-7.html http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/chemnitz-chronologie-der-a... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD_ZdP79O84&t=2m https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD_ZdP79O84&t=2m Hooligans salute Hitler, AfD supporters and "concerned citizens" go "tee-hee, how bold". That's the AfD, and that's what matters. edit: oh, and the harmless image that's spread here on HN, combined with silent downvotes, that's just great. If you don't want a response, don't belittle a party you apparently know nothing about, in a country you don't even speak the language of.
  - _ph_ 8y ago
    Actually they argued e.g. for removing the unemployment insureance.
- levosmetalo 8y ago
  AfD policies would be considered as "too liberal" by the core Trump supporters. After all, the leader of their party is a woman, that lives in foreign country, married to another woman, that is south asian.
- blattimwind 8y ago
  In a number of positions even the AfD is left of the American political mainstream.
- baxtr 8y ago
  I love HN because we can keep politics pretty much out. This comment is not helping to preserve that culture.
  - PavlovsCat 8y ago
    What do you want to discuss here, then? What could you be interested in about this story if politics is a no go for you? > And it came out by a US border militia report. I count the hours till it will be picked up by the US political system. DER SPIEGEL is not exactly a conservative magazine. This observation is true, it's also important -- the very story itself is political, in just the kind of stories that were fabricated. Or maybe the list is cherry picked I don't know, but going by what I see, politics is already part and parcel of this anyway. If people then on top of that make observations about a country they don't seem to really know much about, I think it's fair enough to correct them. To say nothing is conservative in Germany compared to US standards is like saying in Japan, all people love cartoons, and watch cartoons instead of reading books.
slededit 8y ago
The laws around business (and noise) on Sunday’s seem very traditional. A lot of US conservatives would love to bring that back.

detaro 8y ago

It's not particularly left-leaning either though, unless it's changed a lot recently.

doener 8y ago
DER SPIEGEL has a tradition of left and right-wing reporting alongside, but always critical of the people in power. Spiegel‘s founder Rudolf Augstein is famous for his proverb „Im Zweifel links“, though — which translate to: „When in doubt: left-leaning.“
- matt4077 8y ago
  That's an excellent description. It's quite a feat how I think every single chancellor ended up hating them with a passion, especially considering there weren't any Chancellors after the first with much of any real ideological differences to the SPIEGEL. As but two examples: the last two chancellors and SPIEGEL are essentially identical on the ideological scale: Merkel is slightly left of her center-right party. Schröder was slightly right of his centre-left party. The SPIEGEL is squarely in the mainstream, possibly a bit to the left on social issues than on economics.
  - realityking 8y ago
    > It's quite a feat how I think every single chancellor ended up hating them with a passion Being hated by people in power from both sides of the political spectrum sounds like a mark of honor for a journalist.