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E-cigs haven't shown to be harmful in the least bit, in fact, there's a lot of evidence that nicotine is a nootropic with neuro-protective properties. Increases

by mruts 8y ago

E-cigs haven't shown to be harmful in the least bit, in fact, there's a lot of evidence that nicotine is a nootropic with neuro-protective properties. Increases cognitive performance and decreases the likelihood of developing Parkinson's or Alzheimer's. Also while nicotine is addictive, there is some research showing that it is addictive only in the presence of MAOI's (present in normal cigarettes not but E-cigs). EDIT: I'm getting downvoted, and maybe you guys are right, E-cigs haven't been shown to "not be harmful in the least bit." But their risk profile is more akin to eating junk food than tobacco, which is on a whole different level (disclosure: I don't smoke E-cigs, but I do smoke tobacco)

wc- 8y ago
These are wild claims and we are going to need to see some references.
- mruts 8y ago
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11772120 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11772120 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11230877 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11230877 https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/study-finds-nicotine-safe-helps-in-alzheimers-parkinsons/2175396 https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/study-finds-nicotine-sa...
diminoten 8y ago
Alright, so dealer's choice on who you want to believe: * cancer.net? https://www.cancer.net/navigating-cancer-care/prevention-and-healthy-living/stopping-tobacco-use-after-cancer-diagnosis/health-risks-e-cigarettes-smokeless-tobacco-and-waterpipes https://www.cancer.net/navigating-cancer-care/prevention-and... * CDC? https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/Quick-Facts-on-the-Risks-of-E-cigarettes-for-Kids-Teens-and-Young-Adults.html https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/Q... * Harvard? https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/electronic-cigarettes-good-news-bad-news-2016072510010 https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/electronic-cigarettes-go... * Stanford? https://med.stanford.edu/content/dam/sm/tobaccopreventiontoolkit/documents/ecigarettes/Risks%20of%20E-Cigarette%20Factsheet.pdf https://med.stanford.edu/content/dam/sm/tobaccopreventiontoo... I think it's pretty far from "harmless".
- tsmarsh 8y ago
  Thank you for the links. I did read them, but failed to reach the conclusion “pretty far from “harmless””. It sounds like an understudied but potentially very safe mechanism for nicotine delivery. The big issue seams to be poor behaviour from companies like JUUL, and large quaestions around dosing for adolescents. I honestly couldn’t tell you from those links if I should be more concerned about nicotine, sugar, caffeine, THC, or alcohol. At this point I suspect that I should be more worried about soda than vaping.
  - jsjohns2 8y ago
    Also an excellent read on the subject: https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine
  - diminoten 8y ago
    > Even still, the mounting evidence shows that these devices are not harmless. > Chronic nicotine exposure may lead to insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes, although this risk may be offset by the well-known appetite suppressant effects of nicotine. Inhaled nicotine increases heart rate and blood pressure. Nicotine is highly addictive in its own right, and it may lead to changes in the brain that increase the risk of addiction to other drugs, especially in young people. Nicotine may also impair prefrontal brain development in adolescents, leading to attention deficit disorder and poor impulse control. These potential harms of nicotine are particularly worrisome in view of soaring rates of e-cigarette use in U.S. teenagers. > Using nicotine in adolescence can harm the parts of the brain that control attention, learning, mood, and impulse control. > Many people incorrectly believe that these devices produce a water vapor when in fact they create aerosols that contain harmful chemicals, and ultra-fine particles that are inhaled into the lungs and out into the environment, making them harmful to the user and others nearby. I guess you're assuming people aren't going to read the actual links? Further, this isn't a zero sum game; you can be worried about soda and e-cigs. It bothers me more than it probably should, your attitude. You're letting this stuff ruin lives all because you want to get high.
    - mruts 8y ago
rubbingalcohol 8y ago
lol nicotine is addictive as shit. I got hooked via ecigs, not that I'm complaining. Anecdotally I agree with the so-called cognitive benefits. It's similar to caffeine in many respects. But let's not be coy and pretend it's not an addictive substance.
- mruts 8y ago
  I didn't nicotine wasn't addictive, all I said it there is some evidence to suggest that MAOIs are responsible for a significant portion of nicotine's addictiveness.
- chelmzy 8y ago
  Similar scenario here. Did not smoke/dip before I started vaping. I really only became addicted when I switched to salts. Quit cold turkey for about a month but came back because I enjoy the effects.

by mruts 8y ago

wc- 8y ago

These are wild claims and we are going to need to see some references.

mruts 8y ago
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11772120 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11772120 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11230877 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11230877 https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/study-finds-nicotine-safe-helps-in-alzheimers-parkinsons/2175396 https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/study-finds-nicotine-sa...

diminoten 8y ago

Alright, so dealer's choice on who you want to believe: * cancer.net? https://www.cancer.net/navigating-cancer-care/prevention-and-healthy-living/stopping-tobacco-use-after-cancer-diagnosis/health-risks-e-cigarettes-smokeless-tobacco-and-waterpipes https://www.cancer.net/navigating-cancer-care/prevention-and... * CDC? https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/Quick-Facts-on-the-Risks-of-E-cigarettes-for-Kids-Teens-and-Young-Adults.html https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/Q... * Harvard? https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/electronic-cigarettes-good-news-bad-news-2016072510010 https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/electronic-cigarettes-go... * Stanford? https://med.stanford.edu/content/dam/sm/tobaccopreventiontoolkit/documents/ecigarettes/Risks%20of%20E-Cigarette%20Factsheet.pdf https://med.stanford.edu/content/dam/sm/tobaccopreventiontoo... I think it's pretty far from "harmless".

tsmarsh 8y ago
Thank you for the links. I did read them, but failed to reach the conclusion “pretty far from “harmless””. It sounds like an understudied but potentially very safe mechanism for nicotine delivery. The big issue seams to be poor behaviour from companies like JUUL, and large quaestions around dosing for adolescents. I honestly couldn’t tell you from those links if I should be more concerned about nicotine, sugar, caffeine, THC, or alcohol. At this point I suspect that I should be more worried about soda than vaping.
- jsjohns2 8y ago
  Also an excellent read on the subject: https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine
- diminoten 8y ago
  > Even still, the mounting evidence shows that these devices are not harmless. > Chronic nicotine exposure may lead to insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes, although this risk may be offset by the well-known appetite suppressant effects of nicotine. Inhaled nicotine increases heart rate and blood pressure. Nicotine is highly addictive in its own right, and it may lead to changes in the brain that increase the risk of addiction to other drugs, especially in young people. Nicotine may also impair prefrontal brain development in adolescents, leading to attention deficit disorder and poor impulse control. These potential harms of nicotine are particularly worrisome in view of soaring rates of e-cigarette use in U.S. teenagers. > Using nicotine in adolescence can harm the parts of the brain that control attention, learning, mood, and impulse control. > Many people incorrectly believe that these devices produce a water vapor when in fact they create aerosols that contain harmful chemicals, and ultra-fine particles that are inhaled into the lungs and out into the environment, making them harmful to the user and others nearby. I guess you're assuming people aren't going to read the actual links? Further, this isn't a zero sum game; you can be worried about soda and e-cigs. It bothers me more than it probably should, your attitude. You're letting this stuff ruin lives all because you want to get high.
  - mruts 8y ago

rubbingalcohol 8y ago

lol nicotine is addictive as shit. I got hooked via ecigs, not that I'm complaining. Anecdotally I agree with the so-called cognitive benefits. It's similar to caffeine in many respects. But let's not be coy and pretend it's not an addictive substance.

mruts 8y ago
I didn't nicotine wasn't addictive, all I said it there is some evidence to suggest that MAOIs are responsible for a significant portion of nicotine's addictiveness.
chelmzy 8y ago
Similar scenario here. Did not smoke/dip before I started vaping. I really only became addicted when I switched to salts. Quit cold turkey for about a month but came back because I enjoy the effects.