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My hope is that by that point we have all grown enough as a society to be able to look past the little mistakes we all make as humans. I do worry that FB/googl

My hope is that by that point we have all grown enough as a society to be able to look past the little mistakes we all make as humans. I do worry that FB/google etc could use that type of stuff as blackmail to get the policies they want enacted though.

lkrubner 8y ago
Kompromat has been a normal part of the Russian political culture going back to negative rumors against Kerensky in 1917, and yet Russian society has not adapted a lenient attitude about it. Rather, the opposite happens, the public develops the attitude that everyone is corrupt and the right way to fight this is to make a severe example of anyone who gets caught.
- mattmaroon 8y ago
  We elected the "grab 'em by the pussy" guy. We're clearly not Russia.
  - danans 8y ago
    That guy's voters had a much lower standard for decency for him than they had for other candidates. Some even rationalized that with religious explanations. The question is whether the standards for personal conduct have been permanently lowered for future candidates or whether that was a one time thing.
  - ams6110 8y ago
    I think that validates sharkweek's theory, above. We have all said things, made crude and even cruel jokes, that we'd be embarrassed about if they became public. But I think we are starting to understand that it's pretty common and with cameras everywhere and social media it's much more likely that you'll be "outed" for something you said or did or would rather keep private. I don't know if a society that doesn't shame people for that sort of stuff will be better. Shame is a powerful way that societies regulate undesired behavior. But I do think it's happening.
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ionised 8y ago
> My hope is that by that point we have all grown enough as a society to be able to look past the little mistakes we all make as humans. I doubt that will ever be the case.
- moate 8y ago
  It will be. We always move the goalposts of what "polite society" should look like. Trump got elected despite having his past (or because of?). People with visible tattoos are CEOs. Elon smoked weed on camera. You think that shit would have flown in the 1940s?
  - ams6110 8y ago
    Politicians have pretty much always been that way. The press ignored it/didn't report it back then. JFK and LBJ were flagrant womanizers.
    - moate 8y ago
      Exactly my point. OP was saying he doesn't think we'll be able to get past the mistakes someone made in the past. Culturally in the US, we do it all the time.
lostgame 8y ago
>> My hope is that by that point we have all grown enough as a society to be able to look past the little mistakes we all make as humans. Wow, really? Where on Earth do you find this kind of hope? I want some!

lkrubner 8y ago

Kompromat has been a normal part of the Russian political culture going back to negative rumors against Kerensky in 1917, and yet Russian society has not adapted a lenient attitude about it. Rather, the opposite happens, the public develops the attitude that everyone is corrupt and the right way to fight this is to make a severe example of anyone who gets caught.

mattmaroon 8y ago
We elected the "grab 'em by the pussy" guy. We're clearly not Russia.
- danans 8y ago
  That guy's voters had a much lower standard for decency for him than they had for other candidates. Some even rationalized that with religious explanations. The question is whether the standards for personal conduct have been permanently lowered for future candidates or whether that was a one time thing.
- ams6110 8y ago
  I think that validates sharkweek's theory, above. We have all said things, made crude and even cruel jokes, that we'd be embarrassed about if they became public. But I think we are starting to understand that it's pretty common and with cameras everywhere and social media it's much more likely that you'll be "outed" for something you said or did or would rather keep private. I don't know if a society that doesn't shame people for that sort of stuff will be better. Shame is a powerful way that societies regulate undesired behavior. But I do think it's happening.
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ionised 8y ago

> My hope is that by that point we have all grown enough as a society to be able to look past the little mistakes we all make as humans. I doubt that will ever be the case.

moate 8y ago
It will be. We always move the goalposts of what "polite society" should look like. Trump got elected despite having his past (or because of?). People with visible tattoos are CEOs. Elon smoked weed on camera. You think that shit would have flown in the 1940s?
- ams6110 8y ago
  Politicians have pretty much always been that way. The press ignored it/didn't report it back then. JFK and LBJ were flagrant womanizers.
  - moate 8y ago
    Exactly my point. OP was saying he doesn't think we'll be able to get past the mistakes someone made in the past. Culturally in the US, we do it all the time.

lostgame 8y ago

>> My hope is that by that point we have all grown enough as a society to be able to look past the little mistakes we all make as humans. Wow, really? Where on Earth do you find this kind of hope? I want some!