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"Race" is just how you look to other people and how that ties to your status. Its categorization is very much country dependent - Hispanic people are often not
by aluren 8y ago
"Race" is just how you look to other people and how that ties to your status. Its categorization is very much country dependent - Hispanic people are often not considered white in America, while no one would be making that distinction in Europe. On the contrary, Europeans often don't consider Arabs white, even though they often look white. The US and Europe have things like 'white', 'black', 'asian' but Latin Americans are much more nuanced. There are people that would be considered 'white' in Brazil and 'black' in the US. There are also things like passing [1] and so forth.
All I'm saying is, this has nothing to do with the results of a 23andme sequencing run, which would provide details about your ancestry. Race (in the US sense) correlates pretty weakly with ancestry, e.g. all the early humans for most of human history were black.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passing_(racial_identity) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passing_(racial_identity)
- asianthrowaway 8y ago> Its categorization is very much country dependent - Hispanic people are often not considered white in America Hispanic is not a race. Latin american history is complex and a lot of mixing happened. You do have hispanics who are predominantly european and are considered white in the USA, and they're appropriately called "white hispanics". > while no one would be making that distinction in Europe. Where do you get that from? I'm pretty sure a guy looking like Hugo Chavez would stand out in Sweden. > On the contrary, Europeans often don't consider Arabs white, even though they often look white. Same thing, what's an arab? The term arab is applied to people as distinct as yemenites, moroccans and syrian alawites. It's not a racial category. It's true that levantines can look white (Bashar al Assad for instance). > The US and Europe have things like 'white', 'black', 'asian' but Latin Americans are much more nuanced. There are people that would be considered 'white' in Brazil and 'black' in the US. There are also things like passing [1] and so forth. You're cherry picking. It's true that mixed race individuals (like a lot of Brazilians) are hard to classify, because they're precisely mixed! Same thing with other "border populations" like Turks. I'd like to see a full blooded Nigerian attempt to "pass" as Japanese in Japan. You know very well that is a ridiculous idea. > All I'm saying is, this has nothing to do with the results of a 23andme sequencing run, which would provide details about your ancestry. Ancestry and race are the exact same thing, since racial characteristics are passed down genetically. You're just playing semantics. > Race (in the US sense) correlates pretty weakly with ancestry It actually correlates really well. For instance, having all of your ancestors moving from Europe a hundred years ago correlates pretty well with you ending up white (and not a pygmy or australian aboriginal). > Race (in the US sense) correlates pretty weakly with ancestry, e.g. all the early humans for most of human history were black. I don't even know what to say to that. I guess we're all unicellular organisms too, if you go even further back...
- dang 8y agoIf you keep doing flamewars on HN, including race war, we're going to have to ban you. If that's what you want to do on the internet please find somewhere else to do it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html