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Sure it’s not density of subway but more tunnels will partially offset lower capacity. This is about lowering tunnel & ‘station’ construction by ~2 orders of ma
by npunt 8y ago
Sure it’s not density of subway but more tunnels will partially offset lower capacity. This is about lowering tunnel & ‘station’ construction by ~2 orders of magnitude. There’s also lots of room underground to build vs surface, so little constraint there.
Lowering cost is Elon’s demonstrated strength (SpaceX rockets and Tesla batteries), so gotta factor that in. Small tunnels cost way less than subway tunnels, not factoring in improvements in boring ops. It’s all about shaving off 2x here and 5x there across the whole system to make it cheap enough to get benefits.
Lower cost let’s you open up new routes to lower density areas. Means cars can get off the road from those areas which would otherwise contribute to traffic.
This is like going from mainframes to personal computers - enabled by lower cost, more people can have access.
LA metro has a tough job in their hands with handling their traffic and is likely behind this. It’s not trying to be or marketed as a direct substitution for subway, it’s another option that happens to compare favorably but be implemented in a different way and by different parties.
Alternative comparison is to freeway which has 1 car every 2 seconds, and this claims 1 car a second on main path.
- PinguTS 8y ago> There’s also lots of room underground to build vs surface, so little constraint there. There are lots of constraints building underground. Because on ground level the buildings have been built with certain assumptions about the ground regarding the construction structure. When the underground now changes, then either the ground will collapse or the underground tunnels have to been build statically according to those requirements. That is the hard work of tunneling. Also maintaining the tunnels regarding ground water levels is hard. Changing ground water levels also has impact in the statics of the building on the ground. There are much more things to consider building and maintaining underground.
- npunt 8y agoAgree I was being a bit dismissive on that for expediency sake. It’s not without issues, but it represents the best available location to build. I imagine small tunnels can partially mitigate these issues.